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Post by Encore64 on Oct 14, 2022 12:17:28 GMT -5
For me, the utility would be in a round that can be loaded with Spitzer bullets for longer range work. You've got short range horsepower covered, that's easy. 307, 125 grain ballistic tips, 10 inch barrel sounds like a useful rig. I wonder if the 30-30 could be cut to an AI without too much trouble. Seems that would be a good option in a revolver as well. The 30-30 Ackley would be a far better choice than the 307 Win due to brass availability...
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Post by rivercane on Oct 14, 2022 15:52:02 GMT -5
It’d be oddball for sure, but I’ve always thought that a 7.62x54R BFR would make for an interesting project. Brass is readily available, and it would give a noticeable performance boost over the .30-30. Steel case ammo is obviously to be avoided, but that’s no handicap in my book.
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Post by whiterabbit on Oct 14, 2022 16:55:28 GMT -5
I have two thoughts.
#1, 350 legend, for shooting the fattest cast 358's I can make. Longest possible barrel for longest sight picture for longest shooting that shouldn't recoil too much with unlimited free brass until I could source some starline cases.
#2, I actually kind of dig the 3" cylinder with a 5" barrel look, cut right to the longest EJRH. BUT, for the cartridges typical to a long cyl BFR, >50% of the powder would get shot out of the barrel instead of burned! So my question would be, what is the cartridge that makes the most sense:
- OAL > ~2" to justify long cylinder. Otherwise, why bother? - Can burn a high % of powder to travel down a 5" barrel. Otherwise, waste of powder!
I think that will inform the cartridge options that make the most sense.
I kinda like the idea of 510 beowulf, where the bullet to shoot is an m33 ball bullet seated to the crimp groove. That should be about 3" OAL and if accurate would be fun and funny to shoot. Something about the idea of shooting an 850gr NOE in a shortened 50 Alaskan to accomplish the same thing has far less appeal than chambering an m33 ball bullet (with suitably short case) into a revolver cylinder.
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Whatever you pick, let us know so I can fantasize about ordering one the same time you do.
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Post by starmetal47 on Oct 14, 2022 17:44:36 GMT -5
I have two thoughts. #1, 350 legend, for shooting the fattest cast 358's I can make. Longest possible barrel for longest sight picture for longest shooting that shouldn't recoil too much with unlimited free brass until I could source some starline cases. #2, I actually kind of dig the 3" cylinder with a 5" barrel look, cut right to the longest EJRH. BUT, for the cartridges typical to a long cyl BFR, >50% of the powder would get shot out of the barrel instead of burned! So my question would be, what is the cartridge that makes the most sense: - OAL > ~2" to justify long cylinder. Otherwise, why bother? - Can burn a high % of powder to travel down a 5" barrel. Otherwise, waste of powder! I think that will inform the cartridge options that make the most sense. I kinda like the idea of 510 beowulf, where the bullet to shoot is an m33 ball bullet seated to the crimp groove. That should be about 3" OAL and if accurate would be fun and funny to shoot. Something about the idea of shooting an 850gr NOE in a shortened 50 Alaskan to accomplish the same thing has far less appeal than chambering an m33 ball bullet (with suitably short case) into a revolver cylinder. ------------------ Whatever you pick, let us know so I can fantasize about ordering one the same time you do. Explain the unlimited brass for the 350 Legend until you get Starline? I'm thinking something and want to see if I'm right or not.
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Post by lar4570 on Oct 14, 2022 20:57:49 GMT -5
what say you guys... 444 Marlin, I already have all the stuff as I load for a custom 44 Hotshot Contender in shot, balls & mild 444, using 444 cases, any of those would work in the BFR, as well as hotter than the Contender would take... extra brass is in stock right now from Starline Sounds like a neat idea to me! Wonder if it's possible to get the vent-rib from the 410 chambering to attach to it shopkahrfirearmsgroup.com/gun-parts/magnum-research-bfr-410-vent-rib-bfr-rib410.asp I've thought the BFR would make a good base for a paradox gun for a while. It can hold bigger cases, and there's simply no substitute for more volume of shot. I bought a BFR IN 45/410. The chamber is cut deep enough to chamber 454 fwiw. The throats are way oversized at something like .464" I think it would be a more interesting gun with .452" throats. I haven't shot mine in years. It really needs a makeover. A 460 cylinder would be the easiest fix, but I already have a 45-70 BFR, so kind of redundant.
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 14, 2022 22:28:05 GMT -5
My avatar photo has been sitting on my shoulder urging me to respond to this discussion
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Post by bula on Oct 18, 2022 8:38:08 GMT -5
If 350 Legend from short barrel, handgun, I'd be looking at the 170-180 bullets or even the Hawk 9mm rifle bullets in thinnest jacket option. Ok, so the 140, 145 gr'ers would be fun.
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 18, 2022 16:17:02 GMT -5
If 350 Legend from short barrel, handgun, I'd be looking at the 170-180 bullets or even the Hawk 9mm rifle bullets in thinnest jacket option. Ok, so the 140, 145 gr'ers would be fun. I think I'd measure the throats and bore first. Then buy a Lee Bullet Sizer and simply size .357/.358" Bullets down for the 350 Legend. The Lee Sizers work with cast or jacketed bullets...
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Post by lar4570 on Oct 18, 2022 16:48:59 GMT -5
I use the NOE sizers to make Speer .375" 235s into .368" for my 9.3x57
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 18, 2022 16:56:35 GMT -5
I've great success with this as long as you don't go down over .008-.009". If you do, the jacket spring back separates it from the core and you get bullet failure...
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 19, 2022 20:03:44 GMT -5
I use the NOE sizers to make Speer .375" 235s into .368" for my 9.3x57 Can you point out a link for this specific sizer? My 9.3x57 is interested...
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Post by tj3006 on Oct 20, 2022 4:58:22 GMT -5
Will They do the .357 Max ? ...tj
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Post by kings6 on Oct 20, 2022 10:31:49 GMT -5
If a guy likes those long cylinder guns then great but call me old fashioned in that I just can’t get around the proportional aspects. The Ruger Maximum frame size is as long as I want to have and I even sold the 414 Supermag gun.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 20, 2022 11:27:19 GMT -5
I'm a lot the same way, buying my 500 JRH 1st, but then a 45-70 came my way for a good price, & having always wanted a 45-70 revolver, I was swayed... like I think I mentioned in the 1st post, I'd also consider a 44 Magnum, only, after having the beasts I currently own, ( & I know this sounds bad ), but the 44 Mag seems kinda weinie in a revolver of this size & strength... remember when Clint said "this is a 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world"... & now I'm calling it "weinie"... I'd do a short cylinder in 475 / 480, but I already have a 480 Ruger Super, & that gun is actually tiny & light compared to a BFR... so right now 444 or 375 JDJ are leading my choices, with the 444 in the lead, as I already reload for that one
I think you can get a 357 Max, but only in the long cylinder, & that cartridge only uses up a portion of the cylinder length, and only a fraction of the diameter... also one thing that concerns me about the long cylinders is the rotational mass, so for me the bigger the holes, the less rotational mass there is in the cylinder... if something like the 350 L or 357 Max were available in an 8 shot cylinder, I'd likely be all over that...
& while it's not a single action, I do have a stainless Dan Wesson 357 Max
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Post by pacecars on Oct 20, 2022 11:31:15 GMT -5
How about a .25-35 Winchester or a .225 Winchester?
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