Fowler
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Post by Fowler on Oct 3, 2022 13:53:33 GMT -5
I recently picked up a modern Win 1892 trapper carbine in 45 colt and really like the rifle so far.
I will feed any load I have tried so far but does like standard length bullets a bit better.
Now the question is what power level can it but pushed to? If I call Winchester we will get the standard SAANI spec for all 45 colt guns, blah. I know the same gun is offered in .357 and 44mag versions and it has a 1/25 twist rate barrel and is begging for a little more power but what level? Black powder 13K loads? Smith and Wesson 20K loads? Ruger only 32k loads? More?
I honestly don't want to run it heavy and hard 98% of the time but I would like to know where the reasonable barrier is. It would be a dandy of a light handy field gun but I would like a bit more thump than standard 45 colt loads.
Heck who can I even call and get a reasonably straight answer? I don't want to bend my gun searching for that limit...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 3, 2022 14:39:42 GMT -5
I assume it's steel... & while I would like to tell you to run her up... I have a Brass receiver on my brass & stainless Rossi 45 Colt ( the brass would be much weaker than the steel, & I run mid level 45 colt loads for CASS, & it's not loosened up with a couple 1000 Rounds through it ( these are mid level loads according to my load manuals )... mine has a cressant butt plate, so I wouldn't want much more than that
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Post by jd on Oct 3, 2022 15:02:25 GMT -5
92's are extremely strong rifles. Winchester loaded special "high velocity" rounds specially for the 92 back in the day. Moroku rifles are made from the best steel and very high quality. I would have no concerns with using "Ruger Only" loads in it...
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 3, 2022 15:46:12 GMT -5
Ruger Only 30k Loads are nothing in that gun. Extremely strong action and top quality steel.
I've got the Miroku Winchester 44-40 M92 and I've run 44 Mag level loads in it.
There's no finer Winchester ever been produced than the Miroku.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 4, 2022 5:45:00 GMT -5
I recently picked up a modern Win 1892 trapper carbine in 45 colt and really like the rifle so far. I will feed any load I have tried so far but does like standard length bullets a bit better. Now the question is what power level can it but pushed to? If I call Winchester we will get the standard SAANI spec for all 45 colt guns, blah. I know the same gun is offered in .357 and 44mag versions and it has a 1/25 twist rate barrel and is begging for a little more power but what level? Black powder 13K loads? Smith and Wesson 20K loads? Ruger only 32k loads? More? I honestly don't want to run it heavy and hard 98% of the time but I would like to know where the reasonable barrier is. It would be a dandy of a light handy field gun but I would like a bit more thump than standard 45 colt loads. Heck who can I even call and get a reasonably straight answer? I don't want to bend my gun searching for that limit... ***** Bill.... around 1960 there came a vogue for building original John Browning/Winchester 1892 .44-40’s into .44 Remington Magnum. Which, as a mid-teenager with a well worn octagon barrel Winchester 1973 .44-40 O couldn’t understand. While my weaker design (of weaker iron) Winchester ‘73 was no candidate for adding horsepower, or even the available high velocity factory .44-40, John Browning’s much stronger lever action wasn’t designed around the .44 Mag’s 40,000 psi, either. Reckon modern steel supports Miroko's beautiful machine work to the tune of handling “Ruger only” loads. The carbine takes a .44 Mag revolver load and adds 300 fps free velocity (probably more). Look at chamber wall thickness and make your call. My upper loads for the Ruger .45 Colt run under 30,000, and I see no need to jack. Your own .45 Colt revolver loads may be a cat’s meow. David Bradshaw
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Post by gregs on Oct 5, 2022 10:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 5, 2022 10:50:55 GMT -5
If you go back and look at some of the insanely high pressure loads Phil Sharpe and others used, you'll see this has always been a strong gun.
Sharpe's Manual is a must have eye opener. There is truly nothing new under the Sun...
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 5, 2022 13:05:50 GMT -5
WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS IS A MODERN MODEL 92 IN 45 COLT WITH ANGLE EJECT.
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Post by Fowler on Oct 5, 2022 16:49:32 GMT -5
Hmm I looked through those old articles and didn't see that one, its a good one. If anyone could bend a gun with loads he certainly would be the fellow to do so. Frankly some of those loads in this 16", steel crescent butt plated rifle sound terrible to shoot! It sounds like an occasional run of Ruger level loads wont be a problem. Like I said before I dont plan on it being the standard fair but it is good to know where we can go power wise with our guns. Now onto some serious load development after elk camp...
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Post by rWt on Oct 5, 2022 17:23:58 GMT -5
How do you like the Trapper's barrel length? I think about getting one at times but am not sure if I'd prefer the increased forward weight that a 20" barrel would provide.
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 5, 2022 17:28:24 GMT -5
IMHO, A MUST READ FOR ANYONE LOADING 45 COLT FOR USE IN LEVER ACTIONS
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Post by gregs on Oct 5, 2022 18:49:32 GMT -5
My Winokou copy is an Octagonal Trapper hence abit heavier. It also is a pistol grip stock so abit easier on the wrist too. The 16s are abit quicker to point and easily handles the Buffalo Bore 325 WFN @ 1325.
Slick up the action, delete the inertia hammer, clip the hammer spring 1/2 coil at a time to were you want it and lighten the trigger return spring and lighten the extractor tension abit and your good to go. T
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Post by starmetal47 on Oct 5, 2022 19:46:40 GMT -5
Okay I've read through all this. I have one of the Winchester 45 Colt Trapper sans any of the new safties. Really accurate rifle. One thing wrong with it and them as I have two other friend that can confirm what I'm about to say. They have a honking large chamber and I mean honking large. This is not good for hot loads as it really swells the web of the case. Ask me how I know. It's a same as they are extremely accurate and for one reason, because they didn't put that assinine 38 twist on them like Marlin did. As for strength. What is the 1892 action? It's a scaled down 1886 action. What is the 1886 action? It's one the strongest lever actions out there. So with that said with modern steel it will handle the hotter stuff. Thing is you don't have to do it. If the 92 action wasn't up to the task there wouldn't be any 92's in 454 Casul around. Now the thing is does your Miroku have a honking fat chamber or not like the Winchesters did?
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Post by rWt on Oct 6, 2022 5:54:02 GMT -5
I know that Rossi's get generally good reviews.
How do the Italian clones stack up?
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Post by gregs on Oct 8, 2022 14:13:12 GMT -5
Prior to picking up my 1892 Trapper, I had a Winchester 94AE. Now, that chamber was generous compared to my 1892.
One thing I did to both slicking them up was yo break the edge of the chamber about .020 to ease the scraping of boolits as they entered the chamber. The 94 would eat anything with ease, Keith SWC were no problem at all. The 92 feeds slicker than the 94 but can't recall 255 or 270 Keiths but plenty of Lee 300s.
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