rWt
.375 Atomic
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Post by rWt on Sept 10, 2022 5:14:11 GMT -5
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 10, 2022 7:55:40 GMT -5
That first one is talking to me!
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Post by bushog on Sept 10, 2022 9:31:01 GMT -5
That first one is talking to me! You get it? |
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 10, 2022 9:51:15 GMT -5
No but I wanted to!
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Post by squawberryman on Sept 10, 2022 18:37:21 GMT -5
What is the 400 represent in 458-400? And how would one of those cases with a 458 bullet instead of a 452 stand up against a hot 45?
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 10, 2022 19:21:20 GMT -5
Bullet weight...
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Post by bigbrowndog on Sept 10, 2022 19:29:01 GMT -5
I believe it was popular back before we had a good selection of heavyweight bullets for the .452 size. It probably is on par with a 454 or 45LC 5 shot. Popular is probably a poor choice of words, it was developed to use heavy bullets.
Trapr
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Post by leadhound on Sept 10, 2022 20:19:55 GMT -5
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Post by flyingzebra on Sept 10, 2022 23:46:19 GMT -5
A few years ago I'd had a conversation with Jack regarding plans for a vintage big bore .458" project
There was a piece of 458 barrel material on the bench that had been bored on his rifling machine that had been the seed crystal for the discussion
Jack produced a couple of cartridges from a tooling drawer
They were cut 45-70 brass with 458 bullets
He called it the 45 Harris
Seemed perfect for my ideas as I wanted to make up a wheelgun for use with paper patched bullets
He opened a different drawer and produced two chamber reamers, one marked 45 Harris and I think the other was marked 458 Harris
Jack noted that John Gallagher had a good bit of history with the cartridge, and that it was a shop specialty at his outfit.
Jack thought that Ed Harris had earlier history with the cartridge, but felt that for all intents and purposes "it was a John thing"
I'd thought about calling John and asking if he'd be fine with me putting together a wheelgun in that chambering at our shop, but things had been busy and I don't tend to put my projects before the client guns - and then time got the better of the conversation.
I still have the donor gun.
Those reamers are still in the drawer.
I'll be getting on that project sooner or later.
Maybe I'll snap a photo of the cartridges and the reamers for the sake of this thread
That's a great looking revolver and someone should be a happy fellow to get it
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Post by flyingzebra on Sept 11, 2022 9:13:07 GMT -5
Just looked at those cartridges, both 1.4" cut 45-70 cases
There are three reamers
Two marked 45 Harris
One marked 451 Harris IMP
The 45 Harris reamer that I measured has a pilot for a .458 throat
All three of them are JGS reamers
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Post by bigbrowndog on Sept 11, 2022 9:56:49 GMT -5
I recall seeing something similar in the Barnes, Cart. of the World book, years ago, 45 Silhouette or 458 Silhouette.
Trapr
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Post by flyingzebra on Sept 11, 2022 10:33:45 GMT -5
When Harris left the room, Jack ended up with a sizable bit of his tooling
One of his small ballpeen hammers is a daily companion in my workspace
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Post by flyingzebra on Sept 11, 2022 11:20:26 GMT -5
The point of this sidebar is to salute that cool revolver
From what little is seen and said in the auction description, there's a great opportunity for someone on a wheelgun from the hands of a super talented craftsman, in a really cool vintage big bore cartridge that has a history of it's own
The three grand starting price would be a steal
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Post by squawberryman on Sept 11, 2022 14:40:26 GMT -5
Thank you sir!
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