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Post by bullseye on Aug 25, 2021 10:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by tdbarton on Aug 25, 2021 11:09:09 GMT -5
That looks like a cap gun.
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Post by jeffh on Aug 25, 2021 14:07:51 GMT -5
WOW! I KNEW I was laying back 22 LR for a reason! I just may have to get a 22 handgun now! unblinkingeye.com/Guns/HSD9/hsd9.htmlFor historical reference, our friend Ed Buffaloe has graciously covered this old revolver which may have faded into oblivion otherwise.
Edit to ADD, after reading the AD: Boy, I thought I knew something about these guns, but I learn something new every day!
"...rear integral and a fixed front blade sight. These features are wildly important when you need to be quick on the draw..."
 Marketing guys,.....
Still very cool to see someone resurrect a neat old gun that wasn't expensive and (from my limited experience) might not win matches, but shoots very well. The Sentinel, now if someone brought back THAT one, I would be even more excited.
Please note that these guns are not as "easy" to work on as a typical Ruger, so if you have to go in there after a burr or rough spot, make it count the first time. Only somewhat less convenient than working on a Charter Arms revolver - not impossible.
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Post by ethang on Aug 25, 2021 14:32:44 GMT -5
I learned to shoot on a Double Nine...
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Post by needsmostuff on Aug 25, 2021 15:29:28 GMT -5
I never bought one when they were used and cheap so probably won't when it's new and expensive .
Don't take me wrong , I like used and cheap . The Double 9s just never did it for me .
And the world is full of 22s that do do it for me.
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Post by jeffh on Aug 25, 2021 17:17:24 GMT -5
I never bought one when they were used and cheap so probably won't when it's new and expensive . Don't take me wrong , I like used and cheap . The Double 9s just never did it for me . And the world is full of 22s that do do it for me. I noticed the price after I posted. At first glance, I was expecting it to compete with the Heritage and the Wrangler. If it were $200, I'd be seriously considering one.
Still, pretty cool to see an oldie come back.
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Post by bullseye on Aug 25, 2021 18:11:45 GMT -5
I have a couple of Double Nine's in my 22 collection, they're accurate, well made & fun little guns to shoot. MSRP is usually about 25% above what things actually sell for, so I anticipate these going for around $240...Not terribly bad for a duel cylinder 22LR/22 Mag in today's market in my opinion. I myself am unlikely to purchase one... BUT, that's the same thing I proclaimed about the Ruger Wrangler when it was announced, & I now have 3!...So you never can tell?
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Post by jeffh on Aug 25, 2021 18:59:35 GMT -5
I have a couple of Double Nine's in my 22 collection, they're accurate, well made & fun little guns to shoot. MSRP is usually about 25% above what things actually sell for, so I anticipate these going for around $240...Not terribly bad for a duel cylinder 22LR/22 Mag in today's market in my opinion. I myself am unlikely to purchase one... BUT, that's the same thing I proclaimed about the Ruger Wrangler when it was announced, & I now have 3!...So you never can tell? No, that wouldn't be bad, especially with two cylinders. I wouldn't need the mag cylinder. I didn't realize it was two pounds either though. Being a nine-shot and DA would push me this way instead of the Wrangler. I'm pretty much done buying guns, but feel "guilty" not having a 22 LR handgun and passively watch for something I'd use at a price I couldn't pass up. If someone waved an old 6" Pathfinder under my nose, I'd get the vapors.
Are your originals aluminum frames? Do you think they weight that much?
I don't remember t hem being quite that hefty, but it's been a long time since I've handled one.
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Post by rjm52 on Aug 27, 2021 5:49:12 GMT -5
..always wanted a Birdshead Ntachez... Last one I saw sell on GunBroker brought way over $500...
Wonder what these new ones are made out of...anyone know?
Bob
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Post by jeffh on Aug 27, 2021 8:21:12 GMT -5
..always wanted a Birdshead Ntachez... Last one I saw sell on GunBroker brought way over $500... Wonder what these new ones are made out of...anyone know? Bob Zinc.
"Here are the specs for the Sidekick:
Caliber: 22LR / 22Mag Convertible.
Action: Single & Double.
Grips: Checkered glass filled Nylon.
Capacity: 9 rounds.
Front Sight: Blade.
Rear Sight: Integral.
Barrel length: 4.5”.
Overall Length: 9.875”.
Frame & Handle Material: Zinc.
Frame & Handle Finish: Black Cerakote.
Weight: 32.5 oz.
Twist:1:16 RH.
Grooves: 6"
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 27, 2021 8:38:12 GMT -5
***** A father of water molded scabbards and brevity of leather, and to my knowledge the first to use heavy nylon stitching, Chic Gaylord used a High Standard Double Nine Sentinel snubnose and the “cowboy” variant in his fast draw demonstrations. This permitted him to fire plentiful & cheap .22 rimfire blanks. Chic ran his High Standards hard. His guns felt smooth to my young hands. Don’t remember what the Double Nine sold for early in the 1960’s, but I steered straight to a Smith & Wesson K-22 from a student in the college pistol club----50 skins for vintage K-22, with 5 skins for a Bill Jordan holster by S.D. Myers. The High Standard Double Nine joined Sturm, Ruger in capitalizing on the surge of TV Westerns. While hardly representative of distribution, I saw more High Standard than Harrington & Richardson 9-shot .22 revolvers. Double action pull was lighter on the High Standard. Those days, plinking cans was a handgunning pastime. Can’t imagine doing that with the H&R trigger, double action. Almost certain the frame was aluminum; all the wear characteristics indicate aluminum. I do not remember seeing casehead setback in the standing breech; abundantly common on gutter-grade revolvers of the period. A remake of the High Standard Double Nine rightly should compare it to the original. David Bradshaw |
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Post by bullseye on Aug 27, 2021 9:19:30 GMT -5
Yes, the Hi Standards have aluminum frames. Couldn't give an accurate weight because they're currently buried in the safe, but they're barely noticeable on the hip. One of mine is indeed a Natchez, which definitely bottoms out the needle on the coolness meter! I bought it in a Pueblo pawnshop back in the late 90's, can't recall exactly what I paid, but I did get a scant amount of change from a $100 bill as memory serves... The Double Nine's have become desirable & are going for 5-6 times that these days, which is undoubtedly the reason Diamondback has announced a replica version.
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Post by jeffh on Aug 27, 2021 9:33:36 GMT -5
***** .......Almost certain the frame was aluminum; all the wear characteristics indicate aluminum........ David Bradshaw Thank you for that, sir. I thought so too. I remember them not being overly heavy, and the Sentinel was aluminum, so it made sense.
My answer above refers to the remake, and I kind of figured it'd be zinc because of the 2# heft they state in the specs. While that heft might do well for someone looking to replicate the "feel" of a center-fire SA, it's a bit much for me in a 22. I know - I make it hard on myself shooting lightweight guns, but I am willing to have to work harder to shoot reasonably well with that handicap.
The bit of history on Chic Gaylord is new to me, so thanks for that too. It's great to have someone with such a depth of history willing to brush away conjecture made necessary by the absence of many old "heroes" we can no longer ask ourselves. I love it when someone with some credence (both yours and Mr. Gaylord's) provides factual information regarding some of the "cheap guns" which get a bad rap simply because they were/are cheap.
I've noticed a lot of similarities between High Standard revolvers (which were truly innovative) show up in the later Charter Arms revolvers, as well in William B. Ruger's revolvers (DAs) as well. I think Charter and Ruger both made their own improvements on these innovations, which was THEIR innovative contributions to designs and ideas which had and have a lot of merit.
Plus, I just love "cheap" guns that WORK.
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Post by jeffh on Aug 27, 2021 10:07:34 GMT -5
Yes, the Hi Standards have aluminum frames............ Missed your comment while typing mine.
Thanks.
Yeah, most I've seen at gun shows were marked $125, giving you room to wave five "twenties" with raised eyebrows, which was usually what they'd have taken. My dad picked a few Sentinels up but I always missed them.
EDIT: I had e-mailed Ed and asked him too, and here it was in his article I posted a link to above. How did I miss that? I read it twice.
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 27, 2021 10:13:33 GMT -5
High Standard intended a Sentinel snubnose for women: polished aluminum frame anodized in choice of turquoise, pink, and possibly yellow (gold). Seems three or four colors were available.
David Bradshaw
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Marketing guys,.....
