Potato versus Potahto in 357 max versus 357 supermag. There MAY have been some minor differences in case length if my memory serves me but same round. Mr. Taffin will be along shortly to correct me if I am in error.
Post by magnumwheelman on Aug 8, 2019 6:43:01 GMT -5
That one looks really nice... Mine is stainless, a gun we got from FIL... I added the rubber grips, & had my retired tool & die buddy make me a custom comp / barrel nut, it's forward beveled to direct gasses away from the scope lense... FIL reportedly shot a big Wisconsin buck at 125 yards, with the scope on, but the factory wood grips, & factory barrel nut... thinking he was using a 180 grain bullet, not sure the load, though I'd bet it was backed by 4227
A half dozen years ago I got really focused on the Dan Wessons and in particular the SuperMags. The barrel interchange really tweaked my mellon.
I have both the blued and stainless. In full shrouds and in partial slotted shrouds. I have bought extra barrels, shrouds, and accessories several times as well from the new Dan Wesson and EWK. This has made the DW especially fun to collect.
I also really enjoy the purple coloring on many of the DW's.
Sir what's the difference between a 357 Max and a 357 Supermag? Thank you
The .357 Maximum represents Bill Ruger’s move to squeeze .44 Mag energy into a straightwall revolver chamber with less recoil and good retained energy downrange. The Blackhawk Maximum handles .357 Mag and .38 Special without worry. From some revolvers .357 Mag can be very accurate. Even the .38 Special groups from the right gun. In my experience, a short, concentric foring cone counts big time in making the shorter shells shoot.
Founding IHMSA member Elgin Gates----and president from 1977 until his death in 1988----learned of the development from the present writer, and appropriated the case by calling it the “.357 Super Mag” and specifying an additional .005-inch in length to Ruger’s 1.605-inch case. Thereafter, Gates came up with the .445 Super Mag, .375 Super Mag, and .441 Super Mag. The .445 SM was Elgin’s answer to Dick Casull’s .454 Casul, but has nowhere near the performance of Dick’s big .45.
Like its forebears .38 Special and .357 Magnum, the Maximum runs a straight chamber with parallel sides. Thus, the Maximum may be loaded with .38 Spl/.357 Mag dies, just as this writer did with experimental brass when there were no Maximum dies in existence. As with all proper revolver loading, a seating plug which fits the bullet is often necessary to prevent deformation.
Brass headstamped “.357 Super Mag” or “.357 Super Magnum” is really .357 Maximum brass. The Dan Wesson Arms Model 40 and Seville have longer cylinders than the Ruger, a plus for rifle bullets and a little more powder. Before Sig Himmelmann and DWA made lengthened revolvers, Bill Ruger, Sr., and Bill, Jr., were ready to lengthen frame & cylinder beyond the SRM prototypes, a move I resisted for potential strength reasons. Father & son Ruger poo-poo’d my doubt, but sdeferred to the SRM length as sufficient. (Bill Ruger, Jr. was ready to order experimental ammo with 1.660-inch case, which Bill, Sr., and this shooter thought would expose the forcing cone and narrow the rpm band for consistency. Viewed from the perspective of deep seating, the longer case may have worked fine.) David Bradshaw
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Post by oddshooter on Aug 10, 2019 11:42:18 GMT -5
It takes a big man to bring candor to the discussion of the past.
.005 doesn't sound like enough to make a difference to me, but reading your recollections about how we got here is a little slice of humility that is always both enjoyed and respected. It seems we don't see it much anymore.
The 357 Maximum is still my favorite caliber. It just fits my shooting to a T. Thanks once again for the role you played and the path you're still on.