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Post by 45MAN on Jul 22, 2022 20:18:54 GMT -5
I SENT IT TO COLT WITH A WARRANTY REQUEST TO FIX OR REPLACE, THEY RETURNED IT WITH A "TOUGH S..." TYPE MESSAGE. I MAY STILL HAVE IT, NEED TO LOOK FOR IT.
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Post by contender on Jul 23, 2022 8:39:16 GMT -5
"Wasn’t there a thread recently about Redhawk barrels coming off?
That qualifies as loose, no?"
No. The issue of the Redhawks was not due to looseness or even over-powered loads. It was due to an assy error.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 23, 2022 12:00:49 GMT -5
I would be highly suspect of anyone claiming to have shot an SRH loose. Even the .454/.480 versions, let alone the .44 or lesser models. I routinely shoot 50,000psi loads out of mine and it gobbles them up. 355's at 1350fps out of the .44.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Jul 23, 2022 12:09:08 GMT -5
Question to something I guess I should know. In .44, is there any potential strength difference between BH and SBH other than the non-fluted cylinder?
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 23, 2022 12:12:24 GMT -5
Question to something I guess I should know. In .44, is there any potential strength difference between BH and SBH other than the non-fluted cylinder? Fluting does not reduce cylinder strength. They are equally strong...
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Post by CraigC on Jul 23, 2022 12:30:39 GMT -5
Question to something I guess I should know. In .44, is there any potential strength difference between BH and SBH other than the non-fluted cylinder? Fluting does not reduce cylinder strength. They are equally strong... What he said. A lot of people think the lack of flutes made the SBH cylinder stronger than the Blackhawk that preceded it but it doesn't.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Jul 23, 2022 12:56:15 GMT -5
So it’s same diameter cylinder as well? And yes fluting shouldn’t make a cylinder weaker, there are still the locking recesses on both that are thinner than any other chamber wall section.
I should have asked are there dimensional differences on a SBH making it stronger than a standard BH?
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 23, 2022 13:05:40 GMT -5
So it’s same diameter cylinder as well? And yes fluting shouldn’t make a cylinder weaker, there are still the locking recesses on both that are thinner than any other chamber wall section. I should have asked are there dimensional differences on a SBH making it stronger than a standard BH? No, the only difference I'm aware of is the steel gripframe on the SBH as opposed to aluminum alloy on some other models. There is no difference in strength between the Blackhawks as long as you don't group the Midframe Flattops in there...
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Post by bradshaw on Jul 23, 2022 13:26:07 GMT -5
Question to something I guess I should know. In .44, is there any potential strength difference between BH and SBH other than the non-fluted cylinder? ***** As answered, fluting does not impair cylinder strength. Both Bill Ruger and Bill, Jr., walked me through principles of hardening & tempering, and some test results. Made my own discovery on the early firing lines of IHMSA (International Handgun Metallic Silhouette. Circular CYLINDER FACE of SBH deflects SIDEBLAST to 9 & 3 o’clock----not into shooter’s face. Whereas, the deep, beutifully proportioned flutes on the S&W M-29 cylinder----specifically to 11 & 1 o’clock of firing chamber----become gutters to direct combustion gas & particles to the shooter’s face. Misalignment, wear, oversize CHAMBER EXIT HOLES, a rough forcing cone, and excessive CYLINDER GAP. Note: Perfect chamber alignment and a tight gap reduce but do not prevent sideblast (aka SPITTING) at high pressure. David Bradshaw
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Jul 23, 2022 13:59:06 GMT -5
That is a great, and to me unthought of, benefit of the unfluted cylinders! Steel Alloys, heat treating, etc is a language I understand and speak ;-)
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Post by CraigC on Jul 23, 2022 16:20:27 GMT -5
So it’s same diameter cylinder as well? And yes fluting shouldn’t make a cylinder weaker, there are still the locking recesses on both that are thinner than any other chamber wall section. I should have asked are there dimensional differences on a SBH making it stronger than a standard BH? No, the only difference I'm aware of is the steel gripframe on the SBH as opposed to aluminum alloy on some other models. There is no difference in strength between the Blackhawks as long as you don't group the Midframe Flattops in there... Again, Huey is spot on. That's another misconception, that the SBH was a larger frame and cylinder. Nope. Same general size, just with the changes around the rear sight and the grip frame.
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Post by drycreek on Jul 23, 2022 16:46:17 GMT -5
YEARS AGO I WAS LOADING SOME MODERATE "STANDARD" TYPE LOADS FOR THE 45 COLT, USING A DILLON SQUARE DEAL B AND UNIVERSAL CLAYS. DO NOT KNOW WHY BUT I HAD 2 ROUNDS "DETONATE", 1 BLEW THE TOP STRAP OF A 3rd GEN COLT SAA OFF AND BLEW UP THE CYLINDER, THE OTHER ONE MADE A SMALL CRACK IN A RUGER BISLY CYLINDER ALONG THE CHAMBER WHERE THE ROUND WAS FIRED. I SENT THE GUN TO RUGER, THEY CHECKED IT OUT AND JUST REPLACED THE CYLINDER. HAVE NOT USED UNIVERSAL CLAYS SINCE THEN, NOR THE SQUARE DEAL B FOR 45 COLT. I had a Square Deal ONCE ! Then……one day I had a cartridge fire that felt much more like my .44 mag than the .357 mag I was shooting…………..
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 23, 2022 17:03:25 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread, I went to a small local gun show today.
They had two SRH 44 Magnums. Both were unusually well fit and finished. In fact, probably the best two I've ever seen.
I've got data from years ago bumping the 44 Magnum to 50k psi. These would be excellent for someone who's looking for a brute strong 44 Magnum...
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Post by CraigC on Jul 23, 2022 22:39:45 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread, I went to a small local gun show today. They had two SRH 44 Magnums. Both were unusually well fit and finished. In fact, probably the best two I've ever seen. I've got data from years ago bumping the 44 Magnum to 50k psi. These would be excellent for someone who's looking for a brute strong 44 Magnum... Mine is also superbly accurate. Every load I've tried in it has been well under an inch at 25yds, some half that.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jul 24, 2022 7:31:42 GMT -5
I would be highly suspect of anyone claiming to have shot an SRH loose. Even the .454/.480 versions, let alone the .44 or lesser models. I routinely shoot 50,000psi loads out of mine and it gobbles them up. 355's at 1350fps out of the .44. Max (Whitworth) posted about the bisley SBHs awhile back. He did some of the testing of the 480 and 454 bisley. He says he shot them loose but it took more to do it than any normal shooter ever could with standard loads. I still have not heard of anyone doing it to a SRH.
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