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Post by alukban on Mar 29, 2018 20:58:09 GMT -5
Red dots are ridiculously fast. For me, they are even faster than irons. That rifle has Talley bases and a Williams rear peep.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Mar 29, 2018 21:10:24 GMT -5
Ruger M77 Mk2 GunSight Scout Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. With either a Burris or Leatherwood 1-8 power 34 mm scope . Or a Vortex Viper PST2 1-6×24 or Razor 2 1-6×24. If it ain't got an illuminated reticle I won't be spending any money of a scope any longer. Missed too many opportunities due to not having a reticle that I could see when I had an animal in my scope. For up here, the Kimber Montana 338 is a pretty great all around rifle. I've killed at least 25 Sitka Blacktails with the 338 Winchester. It works great on those and its not bad on bear. This is the 12th 338 I've had. All but 3 were Rugers. One of those being a SS Remington 700 in 338 RUM. 1,A SS Model 70 . And this Kimber. I do tend to knee jerk to the 416s or 458 for the coast. They are great on deer, as long as I don't hit a big bone. And they dump brown bear in a Very satisfying way. But for down south. The 6.5 would get most all my use. I currently use that cart in a SS Hawkeye that I chopped the barrel on. At 18 11/16" as my winter rifle. Caribou and fur bearers. It works spectacularly. I have a 1-4×24 SWFA SS Classic on it.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Mar 29, 2018 22:25:04 GMT -5
Red dots are ridiculously fast. For me, they are even faster than irons. That rifle has Talley bases and a Williams rear peep. Really nice looking rifle. I got hooked on short rifles with my wife's stainless/laminated Ruger Compact in 308. If I didn't dislike 30 caliber So much , I would have wore it out long ago. As is I've shot it lots and lots more than she has. The one thing I do like about the 308 is long throat life. !! With the 1-4 scopes I use I have definitely found the scope on 1 power to be much faster than even the best set up iron sights.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:05:03 GMT -5
Make mine a .308. All day, every day. 18 to 20 inch barrel. Kevlar stock. Leupold 3-9X. Maybe a straight 6X. Probably Rem Mdl. 7 action with an extractor upgrade, but maybe a Win. 70 controlled feed short action. Ken, one of my favorite .308's has a Tubb Carbon Fiber Anschutz style thumbhole (super strong and light) stock. Douglas medium weight 19" barrel threaded for my JET suppressor. Jewel trigger and wears a Nightforce. It would be a fine choice with a simple change to a lighter scope.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:09:54 GMT -5
Fermin, you sure know how to start a topic for sure! I will omit a lot of blah blah. My 300 WM was not finished and time was winding down. I needed somthing to buck the wind. Only thing I had as far as a packable rifle was a 270WW that I had bought as a deterrent nor action for a try out of a 6.5-06. Got away from the thoughts on 130 and 140. Went to a 150 Hornady SST as I have had excellent luck with them. New load data for reloader 26. It thinks it is a 7 mag now. Book loads l, top end all the way to 800 I was happy to say the least. Some of the new powders and new bullets, you might rethink the old 308. One of my very favorite rifles for a very long time was a Rem 700 7 Mag. I got my brother to glass bed it into the factory stock, muzzle braked it, and ran 140's at almost 3200 fps. I shot everything with the thing until I killed the barrel. I stepped up to a 300 WM with a 165 at 3175 after. My current 300 WM is one of the newer ones with the B&C M40 style stock and has been cut to 22", Tubb brake installed, Calvin Elite, and CDI bottom metal. Again a Nightforce scope that adds more weight than I need for this project. Oh, but it is quite ruthless....
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:19:13 GMT -5
For a stock rifle, I'd look at a Remington 700 Tactical with the 20" threaded barrel in .308. Add a lightweight, relatively short suppressor, and you're ready to go. There are bullets that buck the wind better than the Sierra 168. If I built one, it would look very similar but be on a custom action with a #4 contour Bartlein or Krieger barrel with a Shilen trigger, sitting in a Manners synthetic stock. Same cartridge and barrel length, also threaded, with a suppressor. Wouldn't necessarily need a high magnification scope for this purpose, so maybe a pedestrian 3-9 Leupold or Nightforce scope. I have one of the stock Remington like that. I moved it over to a B&C stock and added HS Precision bottom metal. It's a neat rifle. It may just get the nod here....On a build, I might lean towards a say No 5 or magnum contour barrel. I love the added control the cans bring to the table however the additional length is sometimes a bit of a pain....
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:25:33 GMT -5
Well, about 12-13 years ago before I got serious about handgun hunting I bought my perfect Alaskan hunting rifle...for me anyway. Kimber MT 325wsm. 200gr accubond .323 at 2950ish fps. I had it magnaported to tame the muzzle flip of the light tapered barrel. With the kevlar composite stock and a leupold 2.5-8x36 it weighs 7lbs. Great sheep, moose and griz gun. I've killed em all with it. It's been banged around on my atv, in the back of airplanes, been packed a few hundred miles in the sheep mtns, wears a few battle scares and shoots sub moa. It's not as purdy as nice wood/blue gun but man it's beautiful! If I ever decide I want/need a rifle for BrownBear I'd probably buy a 416 Ruger. But, I've got a 500L I'm a fiend for the over 30 calibers in a bolt gun myself. My first 338 WM was a bit light with a Leupold 2-8X on the bench. Dang thing was standing me up for every shot. I got my brother to bed that rude SOB into a McMillan HTG and had a brake put on it. Moved the scope up to a 4-14X. What a relief it was. I could shoot it from sitting and not get a nose bleed. One of the greatest rifles I ever had too. Pretty sad day when I discovered the barrel was shot out. I had fired 17 component boxes of 338 bullets. Some 50 count some 100 and the thing just wouldnt shoot anymore. My brother bought it for the action and stock and did a 338 RUM on it. It still lives on today!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:27:52 GMT -5
Personally I prefer a bolt or lever rifle. I have an AR and have run a mag thru it.... it does absolutely nothing for me. Ive tried to get excited about it but the love aint there. It will prolly go down the road eventually.... at this moment lever rifles rule the safe 😁 Given the right turf I might have to have one of them 95 Winchesters with some new fangled spitzer bullets. And a really mean mule....
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:37:42 GMT -5
Sitting at a table after 4 days of killing hogs with friends, the subject was of course the perfect hog rifle. We hashed back and forth about bullet weight this and velocity that. We talked 358 Win., 350RM, 338 Fed., 308 Win., 260 rem., 6.5 creed., 6.5 Swede, 7x57, etc. When I take folks out my minimum requirement for hogs is 120gr. of bullet. It makes for easier tracking jobs on marginal hits, Yes, Fermin the ranchers don’t care if we find them or not but the hunters do, and even though they’re hogs they still deserve to be killed and not maimed, not sayin’ you and yours are maimers. But some of my “hunters” make bold claims and then crawfish when they can’t hit a pie plate offhand at fifty yards in under 10 seconds, ........where did practice and skill wander off to lately anyway??? When it’s all said and done, the 308win., does great work with 150 - 180gr bullets for everything from deer and hogs to elk and eland, provided you pick the right bullet. Although I have a special place in my heart for the 6.5 Swede and 125 - 140gr. bullets. So my perfect Texas rifle is a Steyr SSG P2k, 20” heavy barrel, Cycolac stock, double set triggers, in 308win., with a 2-10x Scope, My Swede!!! Is my beat around truck gun, 17” factory barrel cut down from 29” threaded for a suppressor, in a Ramline stock, bedded with JB weld, and a 1-4x scope. Both are boringly consistent on accuracy, the Swede gets loaned to hunters after their guns “fail” to shoot. Trapr Wish I had been sittin in on that visit. I would'a told you fellas about my 338 Lapua. I think of it as a modern day 338-378 KT. It has in the neighborhood of 50 one shot kills on hogs too. All DRT except one. He made about 15 feet I think. I have a couple close friends who get to hunt exotics now and then. So my rifle has quite a few Niglai, Wildebeest, and other such critters taken again all with one shot apiece. We had a couple of those SSGs in the early days of out SWAT team. We had trouble with wandering zeros that we finally decided had to be an issue with the stocks after checking everything else including the Leupold scopes. Of course riding a plastic stock rifle around in a S Texas heated trunk might have been a factor. Just something to think about. Yeah, hunters are apt to get a good ribbing if they shoot and can't come up with a corpus delicti. LOL...
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:43:00 GMT -5
...would go the .308...it is hard to beat. I've got several from a lightweight MODEL SEVEN to a SAKO TRG 22... Have settled on 165-168 grain bullets for all of them using 46.0 grains of 748. Runs 2730 fps from a 20" barrel which most of my guns have. Bob ps...instead of a muzzle break pay the price of admission and get a suppressor...you will really like it... Have shot suppressors for years and years. Have discovered long ago that A) they are long and unwieldy in a blind and B) even if the rifle is quiet when it goes off the bullet still arrives with a SLAP and scares the sheeit out of the other hogs and they all run away anyway. Even on prairie dogs the heat signature coming off the dang thing will turn the best scope money can buy into a pawn shop Tasco for all the waves....No, make mine a muzzle brake.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:46:58 GMT -5
Alukban, that rifle is prime!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 23:50:17 GMT -5
Ruger M77 Mk2 GunSight Scout Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. With either a Burris or Leatherwood 1-8 power 34 mm scope . Or a Vortex Viper PST2 1-6×24 or Razor 2 1-6×24. If it ain't got an illuminated reticle I won't be spending any money of a scope any longer. Missed too many opportunities due to not having a reticle that I could see when I had an animal in my scope. For up here, the Kimber Montana 338 is a pretty great all around rifle. I've killed at least 25 Sitka Blacktails with the 338 Winchester. It works great on those and its not bad on bear. This is the 12th 338 I've had. All but 3 were Rugers. One of those being a SS Remington 700 in 338 RUM. 1,A SS Model 70 . And this Kimber. I do tend to knee jerk to the 416s or 458 for the coast. They are great on deer, as long as I don't hit a big bone. And they dump brown bear in a Very satisfying way. But for down south. The 6.5 would get most all my use. I currently use that cart in a SS Hawkeye that I chopped the barrel on. At 18 11/16" as my winter rifle. Caribou and fur bearers. It works spectacularly. I have a 1-4×24 SWFA SS Classic on it. Some good dope right here guys. From an experienced rifleman who brings home the meat. And I mean the big meat. But let me ask, from the 338 Lapua, is the next best step up the 416 or something else?
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 30, 2018 0:11:27 GMT -5
I have had this game in my head for some time. More of a self test skill building exercise kinda thing. Not unlike the Biathalon, but more like a Senderothon. So it goes like this:
You need 2 targets. One 12" square plate and One Iron Maiden (20"x40") You also need a partner with a laser rangefinder, and excellent set of binos, and a Gator. You need 10 cones or stakes with flags. You also need 1050 yards of safe lane to shoot into.
So your "buddy" takes off on the Gator. He drops a cone within 50 yards of each 100 yard mark all the way to 1000 yards from the Steel Targets. So, your first shot could be as close as 50 yards or as far as 150 yards and your last could be from 950 to 1050. But the point is that you don't know.
So when he is done marking your shooting points he will come Gatoring back to where you are waiting with your rifle and related kit at the Steel targets location. No rules on gear. If you can carry it, you can use it. No points either just time. So, Gator man starts the timer and off you go to the first marker. This shot must be standing. Second position can be standing or kneeling. Third position can be standing kneeling or sitting. Fourth position can be any such you might choose. Now, you gotta hit the big target to proceed. Hits on the little target knock 30 seconds (or whatever) off your total time. You can walk or run all depending on your physical conditioning. Gator man calls hits and misses, helps with adjustments (high right, come a minute left, etc etc) The point all being to hone your rifle craft under field conditions and with as much stress as you wanna plug into the program.
This would never work as a postal match. Some guys would be running up hills and such and others have even more evil terrain. But it would be neat to divine the best gear/rifle/cartridge combo. We did variations of this on SWAT for ages but never a long range version like this. Thoughts?
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Post by kings6 on Mar 30, 2018 0:35:28 GMT -5
I decided on the 7mm-08 a number of years ago as my rifle of choice. All my kids killed their first deer and elk with the same Model 7 youth version in this caliber and none traveled more than 15'-20'. When I decided I did not want to pack one of my 7 mags I took an older model 700 in 243 and had it converted to 7mm-08 with a Pacnor match barrel, Jewel trigger, one off fiberglass stock and handy little Leopold 2x7 scope. Later I read an article by Rick Jamison about blueprinting a bolt action rifle and his nephew did the work for the rifle in his article. The gunsmith lived just a few hours south of me so I took him the gun and he did a full blueprint job on it. Converted it to single shot, trued the recoil lug, recut the barrel threads and the receiver threads and double sleeved the bolt. Wonderful light weight laser gun. A buddy joined to of the local swat team long range guys down at Holland's long range shooting school and the little gun shot lights out and hung with everything anybody brought. Just my two cents worth.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Mar 30, 2018 1:05:38 GMT -5
Ruger M77 Mk2 GunSight Scout Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. With either a Burris or Leatherwood 1-8 power 34 mm scope . Or a Vortex Viper PST2 1-6×24 or Razor 2 1-6×24. If it ain't got an illuminated reticle I won't be spending any money of a scope any longer. Missed too many opportunities due to not having a reticle that I could see when I had an animal in my scope. For up here, the Kimber Montana 338 is a pretty great all around rifle. I've killed at least 25 Sitka Blacktails with the 338 Winchester. It works great on those and its not bad on bear. This is the 12th 338 I've had. All but 3 were Rugers. One of those being a SS Remington 700 in 338 RUM. 1,A SS Model 70 . And this Kimber. I do tend to knee jerk to the 416s or 458 for the coast. They are great on deer, as long as I don't hit a big bone. And they dump brown bear in a Very satisfying way. But for down south. The 6.5 would get most all my use. I currently use that cart in a SS Hawkeye that I chopped the barrel on. At 18 11/16" as my winter rifle. Caribou and fur bearers. It works spectacularly. I have a 1-4×24 SWFA SS Classic on it. Some good dope right here guys. From an experienced rifleman who brings home the meat. And I mean the big meat. But let me ask, from the 338 Lapua, is the next best step up the 416 or something else? I would say so. I've had 4 different 416s. 2 Rem mags, 1 on a 17 Enfield and one on a CZ550. I had both of them built And 2 , 416 Taylors. 1 on a 17 Eddystone Enfield . And one on a 1999 Montana action. 19" bel on the Eddystone and 18" on the Montana. I hunted and shot the snot out of the Eddystone. My favorite brown bear load was a 325 gr X bullet at 2600 fps. There was no angle on a big brown bear that did not result in a bear on the ground instantly if the ticker was in line. I've never subscribed to the use of 30 cal rifles for bear in thick brush. Far too many bear walking around Southeast Alaska with 30 cal bullets in them. Nor do I give any credence to the self aggrandizing dead eye dicks that HAVE to make a cns hit to knock a bear down. With a 416 , you wack a brown bear in the chest and it hits the ground. Same with the 458. Oddly enough, a good solid double lung hit that will knock a bear down from a 416 or 458 , the same poi on a 100 lb spike Sitka Blacktail will not knock it down and they have run up to 50 yards on me. Tho usually 10- 25 yards. One of the 416s, Taylor , Ruger or Remington is a truly Great all around Alaska rifle. The Rigby and Whby are also. But by and large , 6k ft lbs is not necessary. 4500- 5,000+ tends to be sufficient. I never killed a bear with the little 18" barreled Montana that I had built. But , I gave it to a friend that is a bear guide. He's dumped a bunch of running off trophy brown bear with that rifle ! When I say dumped, I mean , at the speed of gravity . Like if you held a big watermelon at arms length and let go over a concrete floor. They are just wonderful cartridges !
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