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Post by Ken O'Neill on Mar 30, 2018 5:40:33 GMT -5
coldtriggerfinger, I've only killed 2 Brown Bear (Russia) with a .416 Rem. Mag. ( Win. 70), but I agree that it was perfect for the job. I've used another one, a Rem. 700, on a couple Cape Buffalo, Hippo, and an Asiatic Water Buffalo. All 1 shot, DRT. The .416 Rem. Mag. remains my recommendation for a large / heavy game rifle. Sadly, that time in my life is behind me. Sooo, like I said, make mine a .308!
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Post by bula on Mar 30, 2018 7:44:02 GMT -5
Due to changes in the laws pertaining to whats allowable to hunt deer with here and in some parts of Michigan, around here, the Ruger Ranch in 450 Bushmaster is in short supply I hear.
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Post by squigz on Mar 30, 2018 7:50:32 GMT -5
I have nothing new to add that everyone else already has added I feel, so to keep it short.. Any one of them will do what you ask it to, with exception of the 22-250 on larger game animals.
Short Actions - 22-250, 7mm-08, 308, 338 federal Long Actions - 264 wing mag, 280 rem, 300 win mag
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 30, 2018 10:41:18 GMT -5
2dogs, I like your shooting test,......but!! I think the vast majority of shooters would benefit more on the positions and shots less than 400 yds. than the ones beyond. Since with your test there are more shots taken beyond it may only be a valuable test for folks that can actually shoot, or have some good experience, especially due to needing good feedback on environmental conditions...........It does sound fun though.
What I have noticed most with hunters is the preoccupation with large magnification scopes, the desire to shoot stuff at “long range”, and the need for some sort of artificial rest. Even on large targets inside 100 yards, no ability or knowledge of assuming a kneeling or sitting position, or even using a tree. They've got to have some something.
But this is a completely different subject, ..........sorry for the hijack.
BTW, for places other than Texas, I like 338’s. Either Win Mag, or 06 variation.
Trapr
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Post by 2sheriffs on Mar 30, 2018 10:48:09 GMT -5
I have a Sears model 50 on a FN Mauser action in 270. It has a chrome lined barrel made by High Standard. It't the most accurate hunting rifle that I own. My dad bought it new back in the early 50's. I think it's perfect for big game up to the size of Elk. (with the right bullets) a 270 is my vote Ron
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 30, 2018 10:59:32 GMT -5
I have a Sears model 50 on a FN Mauser action in 270. It has a chrome lined barrel made by High Standard. It't the most accurate hunting rifle that I own. My dad bought it new back in the early 50's. I think it's perfect for big game up to the size of Elk. (with the right bullets) a 270 is my vote Ron I know it can be done. Speaking for myself, I feel like anything lighter than a 338 bore is too light for such but my big brother has taken many many Nilgai with a 7mm Mag running a 175 Partition bullet. He just sneaks up as close as he can get, then gets in some closer where he can't miss and drives that long slug up the spine. For a big big guy he is pretty stealthy.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 30, 2018 11:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by 2sheriffs on Mar 30, 2018 11:25:13 GMT -5
I built a 35 Ackley Short Magnum (the 358 Norma Mag is a close copy of it) We used to get 1917 Enfields for $17.50 back in the mid 60's I had it sent to P.O. Ackley and he rebored it and chambered it, then he sent it to me. It was just as accurate as the ones that were barreled with Douglas barrels. I built it with a Fajon glass bedded stock to hunt Elk just before we moved to Las Vegas in the mid 60's and I never did get to use it. I built it just before they came out with the 358 Norma Mag.you can shoot 358 mag in it if you need to. The only difference is a little bit of difference in the body taper and a couple degrees in the shoulder angle. You can shoot the 358 Norma in the 35 Ackley, but you can't shoot the 35 Ackley in the 358. Ron
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Post by azshaun on Mar 30, 2018 19:40:44 GMT -5
Wow, the change in times is so apparent. 3 pages long, and not 1 mention of the 30-06. I have no experience to add value, but surprised that NO one suggests the 30-06. I know, I know, its boring... the 308 can do anything the 30-06 can and shorter action... Anyway, just shows just how much times have changed I guess. I choose to be different. My caliber is the 30-06 in both rifles I own. Rem 700 BDL, and Browning BLR. I always understood there wasn't much I couldn't accomplish with it. Who knew? . ;-D
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Post by cmh on Mar 30, 2018 20:57:43 GMT -5
I decided on the 7mm-08 a number of years ago as my rifle of choice. All my kids killed their first deer and elk with the same Model 7 youth version in this caliber and none traveled more than 15'-20'. When I decided I did not want to pack one of my 7 mags I took an older model 700 in 243 and had it converted to 7mm-08 with a Pacnor match barrel, Jewel trigger, one off fiberglass stock and handy little Leopold 2x7 scope. Later I read an article by Rick Jamison about blueprinting a bolt action rifle and his nephew did the work for the rifle in his article. The gunsmith lived just a few hours south of me so I took him the gun and he did a full blueprint job on it. Converted it to single shot, trued the recoil lug, recut the barrel threads and the receiver threads and double sleeved the bolt. Wonderful light weight laser gun. A buddy joined to of the local swat team long range guys down at Holland's long range shooting school and the little gun shot lights out and hung with everything anybody brought. Just my two cents worth. Interesting in not only the firearm but the caliber 😉
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Post by nicholst55 on Mar 31, 2018 0:26:10 GMT -5
Wow, the change in times is so apparent. 3 pages long, and not 1 mention of the 30-06. I have no experience to add value, but surprised that NO one suggests the 30-06. I know, I know, its boring... the 308 can do anything the 30-06 can and shorter action... Anyway, just shows just how much times have changed I guess. I choose to be different. My caliber is the 30-06 in both rifles I own. Rem 700 BDL, and Browning BLR. I always understood there wasn't much I couldn't accomplish with it. Who knew? . ;-D Not a thing wrong with the 'old' '06. You could substitute that for .308 in my previous post, and everything else could remain the same. Also, one thing the .308 doesn't do well that the '06 was actually originally designed around is the 220 grain bullet. The .30-06 really excels with bullets 180 grains and above, and handles bullets weighing 200 grains and over with grace - something that the .308 struggles to do. And while I know all about the lighter VLD and RDF bullets, those old 220 grain RN bullets in the Krag and '06 just plain kill stuff way out of proportion to their velocity and diameter. The same can be said for the 160 RN in the 6.5mm, the 175 RN in the 7mm, and the 215 RN in the .303.
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Post by dougader on Mar 31, 2018 8:31:32 GMT -5
I decided on the 7mm-08 a number of years ago as my rifle of choice. All my kids killed their first deer and elk with the same Model 7 youth version in this caliber and none traveled more than 15'-20'. When I decided I did not want to pack one of my 7 mags I took an older model 700 in 243 and had it converted to 7mm-08 with a Pacnor match barrel, Jewel trigger, one off fiberglass stock and handy little Leopold 2x7 scope. Later I read an article by Rick Jamison about blueprinting a bolt action rifle and his nephew did the work for the rifle in his article. The gunsmith lived just a few hours south of me so I took him the gun and he did a full blueprint job on it. Converted it to single shot, trued the recoil lug, recut the barrel threads and the receiver threads and double sleeved the bolt. Wonderful light weight laser gun. A buddy joined to of the local swat team long range guys down at Holland's long range shooting school and the little gun shot lights out and hung with everything anybody brought. Just my two cents worth. I was immediately enthralled with the 7-08 after reading an article by Layne Simpson on the round and his experiences hunting with it. Sweet round, frankly, and makes me wonder why all the added fuss over the 260 Remington and now the be-all, end-all 6.5 Creedmore for .020" bore diameter and an "efficient case design." For the heavy woods and brush, along with the edges of clear cuts I've hunted on the west side of the state, I was thinking a 7-08 or 308 with jsp spitzers would be about right. But also a single shot or lightweight bolt gun in 358 Winchester made into a dedicated cast bullet gun. A 200 grain cup point slug around 1800 fps is a dandy blacktail slayer. For now all I have is a CVA Hunter in 35 Remington for a lightweight brush gun... ... oh, and the Savage 99 in 308 Winchester.
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Post by eskimo36 on Mar 31, 2018 9:15:02 GMT -5
For all around cartridge in my part of the world, I go with 250 Savage. I have a very nice single shot and a Brown Precision on a Rem 600 in 250. It works for called varmints, deer and pigs. That being said, I shoot all the same stuff with a 9.3x74R single shot. Low pressure, big bullets, and a 3x Leupold. It’s really hard to beat it inside 250-300 yds.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 31, 2018 10:01:03 GMT -5
For all around cartridge in my part of the world, I go with 250 Savage. I have a very nice single shot and a Brown Precision on a Rem 600 in 250. It works for called varmints, deer and pigs. That being said, I shoot all the same stuff with a 9.3x74R single shot. Low pressure, big bullets, and a 3x Leupold. It’s really hard to beat it inside 250-300 yds. There’s always that ONE guy who just comes along and punches a hole in your gas tank just for the fun of it. Hey I was thrilled with all these fantastic responses. Ackley Magnums. Bear crushing 416 this and that. The nostalgia guys yearning for a good ole Ought Six. But Nooo. Here comes Curtis yanking out of my rifle dream world right back to where I started....
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Post by bula on Mar 31, 2018 10:56:29 GMT -5
My one and only scoped bolt gun is a 30-06. A sporterized 1917 Enfield by Winchester. A few others here had there hands on one at an early age too.
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