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Post by dougader on Sept 16, 2017 10:52:35 GMT -5
Yes, but all I had in my 9 was some CorBon 115 grain jhp, using the Sierra bullet. Not quite the kind of ammo meant for black bear... I was loaded for nasty 2-legged varmints that day. My old fishing partner and I had one of those "assaults" in years past as well. No shots fired, but they got the hint when Brian and I both grabbed the grips of our pistols.
I mean, who comes up to a couple fishermen - out in the middle of nowhere - and asks if they have any money?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 15:12:12 GMT -5
The LBT .452 230 gr. LFN is hard to beat... Mine feeds in everything, I didn't have the same luck with SAECO 058.  |
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Post by dougader on Sept 17, 2017 21:30:28 GMT -5
The LBT .452 230 gr. LFN is hard to beat... Mine feeds in everything, I didn't have the same luck with SAECO 058. That's a great looking bullet! |
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Post by lange1 on Sept 22, 2017 16:33:35 GMT -5
I think the 230 Federal Hydrashok will work for hunting just great. It has the highest one shot stop percentage according to Marshall / Sanow data compilation, and that's for critters the same size as medium game. I used that load to kill a whitetail and it worked just fine, complete penetration and big wound channel. It was over very fast.
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Post by lange1 on Sept 22, 2017 16:44:39 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 22, 2017 22:16:03 GMT -5
"I think the 230 Federal Hydrashok will work for hunting just great.... It has the highest one shot stop percentage according to Marshall / Sanow... I used that load to kill a whitetail and it worked just fine, complete penetration and big wound channel. It was over very fast.”
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Shot quite a bit of this ammo from the moment it came out. The first Federal .45 ACP Hydra-Shok 230 JHP had a truncated cone profile (close to the Sierra 185 JHP, which Federal starting loading in 1977). Federal soon revised the Hydra-Shok profile to more closely resemble the ball ogive----probably to prevent stalling in some pistols. It is one of the very best ACP rounds. The 230 Hydra-Shok ranks very high in accuracy as well as good performance on a rib cage. Five rounds through a Les Baer 1911 bagged into 2.8-inches @ 100 yards. Velocity as I recall averaged 889 fps from the 5-inch Kart barrel in the Les Baer Super Tac, measurement via Oehler 35P.
The Federal Hydra-Shok did nor shoot quite as tight as the Remingtion Golden Saber seated over 8.5/Accurate #5. The Remington handload averages 866 fps from the same Les Baer. The accuracy difference is measured in tenths of an inch, a meaningless distinction at this altitude. The man on the trigger easily displays greater variation. Remington factory Golden Saber 230 JHP nips at the heels of the handload.
Another top factory load Hornady’s 230 XTP +P, which clocks around 900 fps from the same Les Baer, all the while stepping inside the 3-inch ring @ 100 yards.
These hollow points are lung bullets----NOT SHOULDER BULLETS----for deer and pigs.
David Bradshaw
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Post by CraigC on Sept 22, 2017 23:58:48 GMT -5
I was very impressed with what the HST's did in SIMTEST. Wanna try them on deer. I agree, definitely lungs, not shoulders.  |
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Sept 23, 2017 0:23:33 GMT -5
One last thing, if it were me, & this is just me, but if I were using a semi auto I would have the safety off & either my left thumb between the frame & hammer or an ear plug stuck in there. If you flip that safety off you'll see just how fast a bear can move, you'll never have a chance. Dick One of the many reasons I prefer Glock ! I Really like six guns and 5 guns ! Both single action and double action . Well , Ruger's. And F.A. and the BFR . But when it comes to autoloaders , Glock, Springfield XD and S+W M+P. Totally silent before making a Big noise. |
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Post by CraigC on Sept 23, 2017 9:26:45 GMT -5
I can flick the safety off on a 1911 a whole lot more quietly than thumbing back the hammer on a revolver.
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Post by shortbarrel on Sept 23, 2017 12:11:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to use a .45 ACP defensively on a black bear but wouldn't hunt bears with one.Bears rarely leave a blood trail but two holes does double the chances for some leakage.I've killed several with handguns in .44,.45 Colt(heavy)and .475 Linebaugh but just don't think the ACP is enough,even the +P.Maybe the .45 Super,but that might be borderline.
I've only killed two big game animals with the .45 ACP.The first was a doe antelope shot with a 4" Mountain gun and 230 gr,XTP's in a +P load,at 30 yds.That worked fine.I also shot a mountain lion with a 3" revolver and Hydra Shoks.That took 2 shots.One shot hit a rib at an angle,pinched the hollow point shut and it didn't expand.It also only traveled 8" under the skin,skidding across the ribs.The other shot did OK.
I worked in a large taxidermy shop in Nevada,some years ago and NV F+G brought in a large,probably 350lb black bear that sheriff's and I don't know who else opened up on with .45's and some other calibers and I can tell you,they eventually stopped it but that was a sad sight.That thing looked like swiss cheese and I'm sure that was a slow and lingering process.I haven't a clue what loads or bullets were used but there were .45's in the mix.Not a great example but judging on bears I've shot with other calibers,I'd be a little nervous,carrying a .45ACP for black bear,if the goal was to recover the bear after shooting it.
For me,there just isn't enough margin for error there.If you do use it,place the shot precisely and it must be a double lung shot or likelihood of a recovery are about zero.
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Post by sixshot on Sept 23, 2017 13:16:33 GMT -5
CraigC, if you knew how to cock a revolver properly you wouldn't say that. It's very easy to do without making any noise. But my point was, cock the gun before they come in & have your LEFT thumb between the frame & hammer, their hearing is beyond amazing.
Dick
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Post by CraigC on Sept 23, 2017 16:03:15 GMT -5
CraigC, if you knew how to cock a revolver properly you wouldn't say that. It's very easy to do without making any noise. But my point was, cock the gun before they come in & have your LEFT thumb between the frame & hammer, their hearing is beyond amazing. Wow, Dick, I've never been accused of that before! I guess I've only been slowly cocking the hammer with the trigger held back to eliminate the noise from the hammer notches for about thirty friggin' years but maybe you have a secret to silence the bolt dropping into the frame and rising again, hitting the notch? I haven't been shooting 1911's anywhere near as long but it seems to be no problem whatsoever to disengage the thumb safety with no audible noise at all. Now, a levergun can be cocked without making any noise but please enlighten us on how to cock a revolver and no noise coming from the bolt movement.  |
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Post by sixshot on Sept 23, 2017 18:50:28 GMT -5
CraigC, you seem to have a bit of a hair trigger & I could "enlighten" you on quite a few things but it wouldn't do any good because you always seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. I'm sure you've never hunted a bear or you would know what I'm talking about with either gun.
I know that several months ago you PM'ed me several times & was very polite since I was giving you a lot of information ahead of your up coming vacation. Now when it comes to giving some one else some advice, if it goes against YOUR youthful inexperience you seem to get a bit on edge.
Show me some of your bear kills outside of a 500 acre pasture & maybe I can agree with some of the gruffness you seem to display with certain people here on the forum. Cheers!
Dick
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Post by tradmark on Sept 23, 2017 20:59:56 GMT -5
My 45 is a glock so i guess its the quietest?!?!👍😀. That said ive had some 1911's that sounded like a garbage can lid falling onto concrete. Tonight i very slowly cocked my single action on a very wired wary axis deer. Worked well and i got the deer, but ive seen guys bump the nock of their arrow on the bowstring and send a bear flying. Lots of good advice here and ill just add my daughter shot a black bear around 300lbs thru both shoulders with a 250gr hardcast 44 mag at 1100 fps. Broke shoulders and passed thru. Bear died in less than 2 minutes. Those 230 or 255 hardcast will do it.
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Post by CraigC on Sept 23, 2017 21:32:29 GMT -5
CraigC, you seem to have a bit of a hair trigger & I could "enlighten" you on quite a few things but it wouldn't do any good because you always seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. I'm sure you've never hunted a bear or you would know what I'm talking about with either gun. I know that several months ago you PM'ed me several times & was very polite since I was giving you a lot of information ahead of your up coming vacation. Now when it comes to giving some one else some advice, if it goes against YOUR youthful inexperience you seem to get a bit on edge. Show me some of your bear kills outside of a 500 acre pasture & maybe I can agree with some of the gruffness you seem to display with certain people here on the forum. Cheers! Dick Wow, that came out of left field. Very interesting. I might suggest you re-read the thread and see who is being "gruff" to who. All I said is that I can disengage the safety of a 1911 more quietly than cocking the hammer of a revolver and now I not only do not know how to manipulate a revolver but apparently I have a chip on my shoulder, am young and dumb and only hunt pastures. I made no comments about bear hunting whatsoever because it has never interested me but I'm trying to figure out how this turned into a "measuring" contest. Seems to be some veiled hostility here and that I'm not the one who has been "triggered". |
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