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Post by contender on Nov 30, 2016 8:07:28 GMT -5
First, addressing the OP about the expense of a custom & all. When I find someone cursing such work, I politely ask them if they can do the identical type of work? And I challenge them to do it exactly for less money. It usually shuts them up. The details that go into customs guns like this take TIME. Time is money. Plus, you pay for the knowledge a person like that has. Remember, you take a firearm, and once you start cutting on it, there is no going back after a "oops!" That said,,, I truly enjoy & appreciate it when I see, handle, shoot any good custom handgun. Excellent pics & tutorial about his work Glenn.
And I have to say I too took Fermins comment about selecting a load & a gun & shooting a few thousand rounds in it to mean you will learn a gun & what it will do. All too often, people chase the elusive "best" load & never find a load that is going to be perfect. Once you get a load that shoots, to the ability of the gun & the shooter, just load that one all the time for that one gun. I've got old rifle loads that I built up many years ago that once I run out of the bullets,,, I'm going to have to re-visit the loading because the bullets have been discontinued. Luckily, I still have a fair quantity of most of them, and I don't shoot my rifles as much anymore to where I'm not too worried. As noted, select a GOOD load, and stay with it. By doing so, you learn to shoot that load, in that gun, and won't ever wonder if it was the gun is you fail to perform. You will know when the shot is "right" and you will know by feel when it's a good hit. In handguns, I truly like it when I can take a proven load in one gun & find it works just as good in another gun.
A well built custom can often squeeze out a bit more accuracy than a factory gun just because of the adjustments made by the smith. But even many factory guns can be found to shoot quite well, w/o major mods, and once you get a load to work,,, stay with it.
Quality work costs, and the results are worth it.
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Post by sixshot on Nov 30, 2016 15:24:15 GMT -5
I think most of us, especially as we get older settle on one or two favorite loads in each gun so adjustable sights may not be necessary but I still like them because that narrow little "trough" is tough for these old eyes to see. Having said that, a few years back I shot a fix sighted gun of Contender's that he was questioning the accuracy about. Up to that time I had never fired one & that skinny little front sight kind of bothered me but after running 5 rounds down the tube at about 25 yds I was stunned, they went into one hole! I can't even remember the caliber but I think it was a 45 Vaquero. For those with good eyes I think fixed sights would be terrific once you regulate to one load. Speaking of the 500L I had the pleasure (if you call it pleasure) of shooting Kraig Pendleton's 500 that I think was built by John Gallagher usisng factory Buffalo Bore 440's, yikes! Amazing accuracy but a gun with that kind of recoil could ruin a new shooter with one cylinder full (5 shots) You could hunt Humvee's with that thing & probably have 4 rounds left over!
Dick
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Post by BigBore44 on Nov 30, 2016 15:59:58 GMT -5
I have to agree to on, find a good accurate load for the desired purpose and run with it... I'm guilty of trying to find a bunch of different loads but, in the end it just makes things more complicated and confusing. Get an accurate load with a good bullet and shoot it until you know it, I mean Really know it well. This goes for short & long guns. Humvees hahahaaa good one, Dick! Ain't no season or bag limit on them either... BigBore44
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Post by Alaskan454 on Nov 30, 2016 16:17:28 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more, learned today that my old standby in 45 Colt is still just as good as ever. I just need to practice more with the big bores.
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Post by contender on Dec 1, 2016 9:56:57 GMT -5
Dick makes an excellent point. The skinny front sight on the factory Vaqueros can be harder to see as eyes age a bit. And yes, that Vaquero is a 45 Colt. I wasn't actually questioning the accuracy,,, but rather the placement of the groups. I was getting "low & left" & as such I wanted a fresh good shooter to see if it was me or the gun. It was the gun,, as Dick got low & left as well. I FIXED that issue once we got home. We opened up the rear sight notch on one side & now it is centered. I worked on a few loads & now it's a center puncher. The point being you can have a good gun, but you need to adjust some things & once you get it shooting good, leave all of it alone. I have to count my guns anytime I leave Dick's to make sure I still have that Vaquero. He took a shine to it,, and I'm afraid he might convince it to move to a colder climate.
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Post by eskimo36 on Dec 1, 2016 15:47:59 GMT -5
Some of the best gunsmiths out there, and I know this first hand, bend the barrel, carefully and slightly, to get a fixed sight gun shooting where it should.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 1, 2016 16:49:49 GMT -5
Some of the best gunsmiths out there, and I know this first hand, bend the barrel, carefully and slightly, to get a fixed sight gun shooting where it should. This is the absolute truth as strange as it sounds. Of course we are talking about a very small amount but sometimes that's what it takes.
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Post by Fowler on Dec 1, 2016 16:52:57 GMT -5
Some of the best gunsmiths out there, and I know this first hand, bend the barrel, carefully and slightly, to get a fixed sight gun shooting where it should. This is the absolute truth as strange as it sounds. Of course we are talking about a very small amount but sometimes that's what it takes. Yup and its not new technology either, Colt has been doing as long as the Peace Maker has existed, heck its how you regulate double rifles to hit the same place.
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Post by sixshot on Dec 1, 2016 17:35:47 GMT -5
I know that's how I've been "regulating" Callshot's guns ever since he got into sixguns, he just doesn't know it, takes him most of the summer to hit a Ground Squirrel!
Dick
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Post by zeus on Dec 1, 2016 17:55:55 GMT -5
Was a fluke to hit that longest one he ever got at 112 yards huh
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 1, 2016 18:12:05 GMT -5
Sixshot tried for a long shot like that this last summer. As far as I know that bullet hasnt made it to the target yet...
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Post by arokcrwlr on Dec 1, 2016 22:04:00 GMT -5
Speaking of the 500L I had the pleasure (if you call it pleasure) of shooting Kraig Pendleton's 500 that I think was built by John Gallagher usisng factory Buffalo Bore 440's, yikes! Amazing accuracy but a gun with that kind of recoil could ruin a new shooter with one cylinder full (5 shots) You could hunt Humvee's with that thing & probably have 4 rounds left over! Dick Dick, yes that isn't a fun load. I've settled on a much less "robust" load. That gun is really quite tolerable with a 440 @ 900-1000fps.
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Post by Joe S. on Dec 1, 2016 22:24:35 GMT -5
Man what a great thread! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by sixshot on Dec 2, 2016 0:21:30 GMT -5
Actually the Dawg has it all wrong, I was working up a warmer load since he had been ragging on me so bad & was at the range shooting at a 200 yd. target. I fired one shot & couldn't find it with the binoculars so I walked down range to see where it hit & just as I got there it hit the dang target....honest!
Kraig, I know that 500 is one of the nicest gun's I've ever handled & I've been around Fermin & Swaggartt & Robb Barnes!!
Dick
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Post by jdoc on Dec 2, 2016 10:32:12 GMT -5
Wow, what a thread hijack.
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