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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 28, 2016 22:27:20 GMT -5
I think a big part of Dustin over the other smiths is he literally grew up in a gunsmith shop, half of the house was mills and Bridgeports that dad made his guns with, it is simply in his blood. Dustin grew up with a Single Action Army 45 colt on his hip till he was 18 or 19 and he made his first Bisley Vaquero with his father (several years before Ruger offered them) that remains on his hip today that he has amazing skill with as evidenced with a Grizzly kill at 176 yards off hand with that 475 Linebaugh, truly is a extension of his hand as they say. He just knows how to make a gun right, to tune the action just so, to get a sight picture that is perfect, to make it shoot little groups if you do your part. I dont know if he could machine anything else, put him in a aerospace machine shop and I suspect he would be completely lost for a long while but he mills those front sights from scratch, and they are just right. He is just talented, his grips are simply marvelous and feel very distinctive, if you grab one of his custom grips you know its his just by the shape. You just have to be willing to pay for the gun when your turn comes up and enjoy the gun for the rest of your days... I know Bill Fowler, and he's no dunce with a sixgun. Bill knows me and I'm quite sure Bill will back me up when I post that Dustin is an exceptional sixgun shot. And I do mean exceptional as in totally set apart. No shit. That young man is "there".
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Post by zeus on Nov 28, 2016 22:32:16 GMT -5
I think a big part of Dustin over the other smiths is he literally grew up in a gunsmith shop, half of the house was mills and Bridgeports that dad made his guns with, it is simply in his blood. Dustin grew up with a Single Action Army 45 colt on his hip till he was 18 or 19 and he made his first Bisley Vaquero with his father (several years before Ruger offered them) that remains on his hip today that he has amazing skill with as evidenced with a Grizzly kill at 176 yards off hand with that 475 Linebaugh, truly is a extension of his hand as they say. He just knows how to make a gun right, to tune the action just so, to get a sight picture that is perfect, to make it shoot little groups if you do your part. I dont know if he could machine anything else, put him in a aerospace machine shop and I suspect he would be completely lost for a long while but he mills those front sights from scratch, and they are just right. He is just talented, his grips are simply marvelous and feel very distinctive, if you grab one of his custom grips you know its his just by the shape. You just have to be willing to pay for the gun when your turn comes up and enjoy the gun for the rest of your days... I know Bill Fowler, and he's no dunce with a sixgun. Bill knows me and I'm quite sure Bill will back me up when I post that Dustin is an exceptional sixgun shot. And I do mean exceptional as in totally set apart. No shit. That young man is "there". It's a treat to watch Dustin shoot offhand at any distance. When I think of exceptional shots I've watched, he and Al Anderson always are the first two on the list! There are days when I don't think I could hit a barn from the inside!! I remember Dustin telling me how many times he had reblued his personal 475. I can't remember the number but I remember he said he finally quit doing it. He carries it everywhere, under tractors, working with cattle and fence etc. it's an extension. Those guns you learn and trust. I was that way with my FA 454 for years when I was younger and had more time to shoot. Now I have to just sit back and watch Fermin shoot it for fun
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 28, 2016 23:13:21 GMT -5
I know Bill Fowler, and he's no dunce with a sixgun. Bill knows me and I'm quite sure Bill will back me up when I post that Dustin is an exceptional sixgun shot. And I do mean exceptional as in totally set apart. No shit. That young man is "there". It's a treat to watch Dustin shoot offhand at any distance. When I think of exceptional shots I've watched, he and Al Anderson always are the first two on the list! There are days when I don't think I could hit a barn from the inside!! I remember Dustin telling me how many times he had reblued his personal 475. I can't remember the number but I remember he said he finally quit doing it. He carries it everywhere, under tractors, working with cattle and fence etc. it's an extension. Those guns you learn and trust. I was that way with my FA 454 for years when I was younger and had more time to shoot. Now I have to just sit back and watch Fermin shoot it for fun Ass. Wait till I see you again. Bring some ice. That thing isn't any fun to shoot whatsoever. I'm going to put a 10" barrel on my Ruger Bisley. Hopefully it won't be so bad. I just can't leverage the FA grip.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 28, 2016 23:17:13 GMT -5
I'll check measurements. The recontoured grips I shoot fine and are extremely comfortable with the contour of the panels. A very subtle palm swell. I'll try and get a shot of the stocks from the back and you can maybe make out the profile. My issues with the Bisley frame is not an issue of room for hands etc, mine is how I hold a FA/SBH as compared to a Bisley. If you hold a Bisley tight and "drive" it from behind Straight on like an fA/SBH, the natural roll of the Bisley that works so well for recoil is directed directly to the webbing of my hand by my thumb and after a few cylinders, the nerves start trembling. So, I try not to mix the Bisley with those when I'm shooting so I can concentrate on a more "side" hold allowing it to roll. Then I'm fine and accuracy is great. Just my personal preference is the FA, I have probabaly 30K rounds through my FA 454s over the years and many more than that though the Supers and such so they just feel more natural and at home Yeah. Try some of those Al Anderson 440 grain stompers and let's see what you have to say.
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Post by zeus on Nov 28, 2016 23:22:39 GMT -5
I did. I shot them in his 7.5" Hank Jr gun he had at the time and his 4" 500. Neither of them was any fun at all!! Vicious actually!! I was glad to hand him his guns back!!!
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Post by Fowler on Nov 28, 2016 23:30:23 GMT -5
The worst recoiling gun I ever tried was a 4" 500L Vaquero Dustin built for Boge Quinn, the full Buffalo Bore 440gr load was beyond brutal, the gun literally rotated in my hand so fast saw the end of the muzzle before it rose in recoil! I have shot full max power loads in Cannon's 4 5/8" 500 max and they were no where near as vicious! I dont think I even emptied the cylinder, I know the next year I was thrilled to find out Boge had brought a box of 400gr bullets at 900fps or so that were fun to shoot in the gun.
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Post by paulg on Nov 29, 2016 6:26:07 GMT -5
All that for fixed sights?! Paleease! JUST KIDDING!! Nice job in showing the small details. Especially the ERH blend. If you REALLY want to know your sixgun, pick a load and shoot 1000-2000 rounds. See what you know after. Ok, I'll follow you down this rabbit hole for the sake of education. I am NOT questioning your wisdom and experience. Just an inquiring mind. How much better accuracy could you get out of this Dustin Vaquero with a pet load over a box stock Vaquero with a pet load? I'm not trying to start argument. I know the virtues of a custom gun.
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Post by zeus on Nov 29, 2016 6:52:37 GMT -5
If you REALLY want to know your sixgun, pick a load and shoot 1000-2000 rounds. See what you know after. Ok, I'll follow you down this rabbit hole for the sake of education. I am NOT questioning your wisdom and experience. Just an inquiring mind. How much better accuracy could you get out of this Dustin Vaquero with a pet load over a box stock Vaquero with a pet load? I'm not trying to start argument. I know the virtues of a custom gun. I honestly doubt there is any way of accurately quantifying that. I've had box stock Rugers that shoot Bugholes. I will say the rear sight insert on the Dustin conversions would lend itself to a more consistent squared up sight picture than my stock Vaqueros have. Which could lend to more consistent holds and more consistent groups. But a load tailored to each gun with a shooter comfortable with each gun, I doubt you'd see much differences maybe. A good group is a good group. I don't think Fermin was being argumentative. I took it as settle on a load and shoot it and see how well you will learn the gun. Too often we change loads so much, we never truly become one with that load/sixgun combination. He can correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I thought he was getting at.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Nov 29, 2016 7:15:36 GMT -5
To quote a guy we know, "I got nothing" ....
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Post by paulg on Nov 29, 2016 7:20:55 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree that Fermin wasn't being argumentative. I got his point and I understand your point as well and you explain it very well. I don't know Fermin personally but the few communications we have had and after following him here for 6 or so years I've come to know his way of speak somewhat. Well put Glenn and it's good to see the honesty in your words. And I'm sorry for the hijack but Fermin started it!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 29, 2016 11:07:01 GMT -5
If you REALLY want to know your sixgun, pick a load and shoot 1000-2000 rounds. See what you know after. Ok, I'll follow you down this rabbit hole for the sake of education. I am NOT questioning your wisdom and experience. Just an inquiring mind. How much better accuracy could you get out of this Dustin Vaquero with a pet load over a box stock Vaquero with a pet load? I'm not trying to start argument. I know the virtues of a custom gun. Stroh used to say, the better tolerances, the more opportunity for a sixgun to shoot a given load. The SBH tank gave me is as accurate as any custom sixgun I own.
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Post by paulg on Nov 29, 2016 11:36:13 GMT -5
Ok, I'll follow you down this rabbit hole for the sake of education. I am NOT questioning your wisdom and experience. Just an inquiring mind. How much better accuracy could you get out of this Dustin Vaquero with a pet load over a box stock Vaquero with a pet load? I'm not trying to start argument. I know the virtues of a custom gun. Stroh used to say, the better tolerances, the more opportunity for a sixgun to shoot a given load. The SBH tank gave me is as accurate as any custom sixgun I own. I get that. Makes good sense. Kinda like the harder you work, train, practice etc. the more luck you will have.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 29, 2016 12:46:40 GMT -5
I did. I shot them in his 7.5" Hank Jr gun he had at the time and his 4" 500. Neither of them was any fun at all!! Vicious actually!! I was glad to hand him his guns back!!! That damn 4" 500L of Al's recoils so fast so brutally it's hard to describe. I definitely wanted to not be behind it. I actually think there's one worse though. If my rememberer is on cue, I believe Kelly Brost has a 4" 500L and it's built on the standard grip frame instead of a Bisley. Seems like that one is Dustin built as well.
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Post by zeus on Nov 29, 2016 13:29:24 GMT -5
He does have that one. I think there is a pic of it on dustins site. Kelly enjoys that level of recoil though. Something wrong with him
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Post by cmh on Nov 29, 2016 14:20:36 GMT -5
I dont know about the revolvers your talking about but that one of yours..... WOW!!!!!
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