Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Oct 31, 2014 8:39:20 GMT -5
Did a little 100 yard shooting with my Max the other day. This was my first time putting this gun on paper at 100. My rest was knuckles against a saddle pad on bed of my dad's side x side. The dinger is a pc of mild steel plate that measures about 18" wide x 24" tall. I need practice but was pleased with the way the jacketed loads performed. Going on memory but i think this is how it went. I shot the cast load last of the 18 rounds i fired. 2 different loads. 180 gr bullet and 296 powder. Cast tr. cone, gas checked, powder coated then sized .358. 18.5 gr powder. 6 shots. 2 on the steel plate. 4 on the paper. I THINK they are the outside 4 not counting the far left at top but counting the one above orange dot farthest top. I think i need to size them a tad larger? .359, .360? Next load was XTP w/ 20 gr of powder. 12 shots. First two clean missed the dinger. Next two rang the dinger. 1 on paper (extreme top left corner of paper). 1 missed paper. Next cylinder. 4 on paper. Right above the orange dot. 2 rang the dinger.  Jacketed load  Aint no sillouhette shooter but it's fun to ring a dinger that far off!! Three of the cast loads stuck in the chambers. When i got them extracted i found cracks in the brass. This was older brass so apparently some of it has gotten brittle.  |
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Post by seak89 on Oct 31, 2014 9:49:16 GMT -5
Really not that bad,pratice with more pratice,enjoy
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 31, 2014 10:08:55 GMT -5
your split cases did nothing to tighten your groups... like seeing guys shooting the max... mines a 6" Dan Wesson with a 4X Luepold... with 190 SIL bullets I'm good for about a 4" group at 100 yards with a "field rest" I don't do near as good free hand  |
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Post by theoldredneck on Oct 31, 2014 14:40:30 GMT -5
Shooting at 100 yards is fun. I start at 30/35 yards and work my loads from a rest. After getting loads worked to the best groups I move to 50/60 yards till I can get reasonable groups then 75/85 yards. Then 100 and then out to where I'm at what ever my limits are with that gun. As I get older open sight distances get shorter and scopes start being used more. Time spent at the shorter distances working the loads and becoming accustomed to the gun is not wasted time.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 31, 2014 20:52:06 GMT -5
Joe S.... as evidenced by the consistency, your group shows development of technique. The is the first towards reaching out with a handgun. The mantra of combat shooters is "front sight, front," but to shoot long range cannot be done without the rear sight. Rear sight looks slightly fuzzy, target very fuzzy, while front sight sharp as fury engraves eye. Three or four clicks down, and one click right, may bring you into the bull. Having set foot on the trail, keep stepping.
Good show.
David Bradshaw
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 31, 2014 20:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 31, 2014 20:59:30 GMT -5
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Oct 31, 2014 22:01:53 GMT -5
Thanks yall!
I shot this load at 25 to get "on paper". Then moved back a little bit to 50 and it did fair. So i figured what the heck. Day before for giggles i was shooting my 4 5/8" flattop 45 at 100 and rang the dinger fairly consistently with my 200 grain LRNFP over 8 gr of 231. Didn't put it on paper but it got my curiosity up about the Max so i had to know.
2 years ago i'd have told you I'd never shoot a handgun at 50 yards with any accuracy because i couldnt hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 25 off hand. But thanks to tips i got off of here and rugerforum and from my friend TEK4260 i was able to start working on my accuracy. Started at 10 yards. Worked my way back. The other day i was shooting offhand at 40 with fairly consistent results. I am tickled to death and feel like eventually i will be a successful long range sixgunner.
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Feb 14, 2015 22:32:20 GMT -5
I went back out today and did some hundred yard shooting. The bullet this time was a 200 grain cast with beeswax and Vaseline for lube. We ordered a custom mold from Mountain molds. These bullets were loaded as cast at the size of .360". A charge of 19.7 grains of Winchester 296 powder. My goal is to get a bullet that does not have to be gas check but still good velocity. I have had no leading issue with this setup so far in Blackhawk or Handi Rifle. Alloy is water quenched wheel weights. Pic of mold.  Bullet and cartridge  Four of the last six i shot today. Two were off paper i think. 100 yards.  Factory sight too low. Bottomed out rear sight and was still a foot or two high. So i modified this Single Six sight. Thined side and reshaped. Works great.  Can see here i still have lots of elevation adjustment. Need to lower it three clicks now i think.  |
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 15, 2015 8:47:39 GMT -5
Joe.... last photo of your beautiful Maximum with 4x6 shot group on paper @ 100 yards has you pointed in the right direction? Any idea what happened to the other two shots? Learning to CALL YOUR SHOT is important to eliminating mystery from marksmanship. Marksmanship is the replacement of abstraction with specifics. By starting close and pushing distance as the grouping of shots allows, you have started on the trail of marksmanship.
Won't comment on your bullet beyond asking, can you thumb-press the .360" bullet through the chamber throats? Numerous throats measure .358" to .359". If you cannot press the bullet through, sizing may improve groups.
* State which brass and small rifle primer.
* Back down powder to 19-grains/296 and group at 100 yds.
* Try 4227 if you have it. Charge to base of bullet.
Good start on front sight. Finish filing face of blade to square (sharpen) sighting edge at top. That rounded top will kill elevation hold in sunlight.
Before you shoot: Dry fire five times on target----hold & squeeze exactly same as for live fire. Note any movement of gun during hammer fall and follow through. Movement must be eliminated and dry fire is the one place you verify squeeze and follow through. Adjust position not gun to change point of impact.
Rest position
* Two point butt-and-barrel rest.
* One point "trunnion"----frame/barrel junction rests on rolled cloth, leather, or industrial belting.
* Creedmoor (freestyle).
* Dead frog (freestyle).
You're on the road
keep shooting,
David Bradshaw
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Joe S.
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Post by Joe S. on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:58 GMT -5
Bradshaw,
I dont know where the other two were because i was shooting at a used up target (daylight fading and didn't want to take time to change). They were lost among other holes. I know these were 4 of them because all my prior shots were left of target. I was filing the right side of sight to move my shots and give me a thinner post. There were three other shots in orange but i am not sure if fhise were from this group or others...
I'll figure it out. And no i cant push those bullets thru the throat. They are large.
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Post by tek4260 on Feb 15, 2015 10:05:28 GMT -5
Great shooting! Looks like you have good case neck tension with that bullet which will help with consistency.
What hammer spring are you running on the Maxi? If it is stock, step up to a 26# and see if it makes any difference. At 100 yards, any increase in hammer speed will help tremendously.
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
Posts: 2,517
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Post by Joe S. on Feb 15, 2015 10:18:58 GMT -5
Hammer spring is stock. Thanks.
Mr. Bradshaw, just checked.
A 180 XTP is tight pushing through the chamber throat.
358 is really tough...
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