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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 4, 2012 10:58:02 GMT -5
Whit posted this before but it's relevant to this thread. Take a look at how I grip the gun. My left hand encapsulates my right with two pressure points. First, my index finger goes under the trigger guard and applies upward pressure. My thumb back-crosses my other thumb an also applies pressure. Those two exert considerable force and lock my shooting hand. My right palm also grips the gun firmly and I do tense my forearms. I have small hands and wrists, but even so my hands never unlock. Basically I control the gun as opposed to it controlling me. Loose holds are hard to duplicate round after round. In my opinion a firm, "locked" grip is much easier to replicate and it improves accuracy. To each is own, but this works for me. -Lee www,singleactions.com "Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by paulg on Jun 4, 2012 11:56:02 GMT -5
My thinking is, if you have prepared yourself both mentally and physically for shooting the big guns then shoot the heck out of 'em. The biggest I've ever shot is .44 magnum and that's enough for me. Having said that I'm not willing, at this time, to prepare my body for the big guns. Didn't Dirty Harry once say, "A man's got to know his limitations." Too many folks fool themselves into thinking they're prepared to shoot these firearms and they're afraid to admit to themselves and they're buddies they're not ready for that. Look at the research Lee has put into these big guns before he even got to the range. It's commitment like that which makes this or any difficult task a more successful venture. Just my opinion though.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 4, 2012 12:35:28 GMT -5
Lee looks like he wraps the support hand thumb over the top of the firing hand and bears down hard, so it's unlikely the two hands will ever lose contact. My hold is 100% attributable to Ross Seyfried. Way back in the late 80's or early 90's he did a piece on accurate shooting and controlling recoil. I mimicked that hold and have used it successfully ever since. Ross gave me more than a grip though....he's largely responsible for my Seville affliction. After reading his "Buffalo Gun" article in 1986 I got hooked on those Ruger-like SAs with the long hammer spur -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time' That article was called "Negotaiting withe the Super Powers" -- great piece! Like everything Ross has written!
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Post by foxtrapper on Jun 4, 2012 12:40:03 GMT -5
Lee how 'bout the next time you and Whit get together you film each shooter from left and right side? Focussing in on the grip before and during recoil. From the bench and standing. ;D and since I'm giving orders, how about cooking up a pot of chili. I'm gitting hungry
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Post by whitworth on Jun 4, 2012 13:06:01 GMT -5
Lee how 'bout the next time you and Whit get together you film each shooter from left and right side? Focussing in on the grip before and during recoil. From the bench and standing. ;D and since I'm giving orders, how about cooking up a pot of chili. I'm gitting hungry We will record the next session -- don't know about the chili..... ;D
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 4, 2012 13:17:33 GMT -5
I should add a clarifying point. The recoil doesn't look that bad in the above video. I'm really wrenching down with my forearms flexed hard though. If I didn't, it would come back much faster and ride quite a bit higher. I'm basically holding the gun down as it impulses. I can't remember the exact load but it was pretty hot (wasn't our 525 combination, but it had a similar amount of recoil).
And we'll definitely video more of these sessions.
-Lee www,singleactions.com "Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by whitworth on Jun 4, 2012 13:57:17 GMT -5
Here's an unrelated video of me shooting my .475 Linebaugh SRH. Same technique -- lots of muscle tension controlling the recoil.
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Post by Fowler on Jun 4, 2012 14:19:17 GMT -5
Well everyone has a different way of dealing with recoil as has been stated here. These are 3 videos of three of us shooting the same Clements 500 max with a max 465gr load. We all handle the recoil very different but none of them are right or wrong just different. I know I can not wrap my support thumb over the top of my shooting had as Lee does above, I know some who do, I know Bowen does in fact. I have to lock my right thumb down with my left, this is how I learned and how Seyfried does it and it works great for me.
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Post by Snyd on Jun 4, 2012 14:25:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posting these videos guys and the info about your grip style.
This gal sure seems to handle the 500L very nicely. She doesn't loose her grip with her left hand either. I wonder what load she's shooting. Do any of you know any more about this video? I love the grin on her face after she touches one off, and the way she rocks back forward after the recoil.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jun 4, 2012 14:46:03 GMT -5
"It's got a heavy trigger pull!" "That's your brain telling you not to do it again!" HAHAHAHA
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 4, 2012 14:51:49 GMT -5
Neat video guys. And Whit...any chance that 475 will be coming home soon? I know it was accurate as hell. Your idea of having Jack recut it to 5" sounds slick. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by whitworth on Jun 4, 2012 15:01:12 GMT -5
"It's got a heavy trigger pull!" "That's your brain telling you not to do it again!" HAHAHAHA This gentleman is came close to clocking himself on a couple of occasions. I think it's easier to control the firearm when you are not standing flat (Weaveresque) -- it's easier to force the gun down.
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Post by Fowler on Jun 4, 2012 15:02:53 GMT -5
"It's got a heavy trigger pull!" "That's your brain telling you not to do it again!" HAHAHAHA Ha Roger is a experienced bog bore shooter, has a Linebaugh built 500L that has been shot pleanty and killed stuff here and abroad. He told me that at 145 pounds he isnt big enough to stop the recoil so he rolls with it. He can shoot let me tell you...
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Post by whitworth on Jun 4, 2012 15:07:35 GMT -5
I'm not doubting it, Bill, it's just coming uncomfortably close to hitting him -- too close for my comfort that is. Not taking anything away from him, it is just that this technique doesn't work for me. My accuracy goes out the window when I let the revolver ride.
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Post by Fowler on Jun 4, 2012 17:56:13 GMT -5
The hardest part for me is to have a consistant grip on these bigger guns. I certainly grip my 475 firmer than I do my 44 specials but that firm grip is tougher to do exactly the same every time and as such is harder to shoot consistantly well with. I find that I have to shoot my 475 a lot more than my standard power level guns to shoot it well. I will say though that a good group from my 475 fired from field positions is extremely pleasing to me, more so than from my 45 colts or 44 specials.
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