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Post by agrizz on May 3, 2012 8:11:49 GMT -5
I didn't say Nels, mostly because if after these sixguns still don't shoot to my satisfaction I don't want it to reflect on a very fine sixgun smith! Smiths are a great gun. I have just had a little difference with their service department. |
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Post by boxhead on May 4, 2012 3:03:08 GMT -5
Agree it is not optimum and certainly won't fix barrels issues further down the bore. And no question that if a gun is built "right" such as the FA or our line bored customs all is good with a basic throat. I am thinking for the pesty factory guns or basic conversions such as Reeder's and others, the Taylor throat might be the answer. Perhaps especially with S&W's that tend to have crane movement as well as cylinder "jiggle". I shall see how the next Smith Alan is building shoots so equipped.
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 4, 2012 5:05:57 GMT -5
Well let me ask YOU Ed, exactly how well do your two Taylor throated sixguns shoot?
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 4, 2012 15:13:04 GMT -5
I got word the 625 PC wasnt put together very well by the Smith Performance Center. The spot at the threads I couldnt lap out was the result of the relief cut in front of the threads that appeared to have been cut too deeply which caused a bulge from an over torqued barrel. Additionally, the cylinder displays some misalignment which was very evident upon removal of the barrel. You could see where one side of the barrel throat was being cut more than the other. The plan is to relieve the throat since at this point we really aint got much to lose. I am reluctant to call it a Taylor throat since a Taylor throat requires a specific amount throat cut into the barrel. Rather, we will "relieve" the barrel throat. Will this help? I dont really know, it certainly remains to be seen. It has been my experience however that it is pretty impossible to make chicken salad from chicken $hit. But Im TRYING!!!
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Post by subsonic on May 4, 2012 16:10:52 GMT -5
I also noticed much heavier cutting on one side of the barrel throat in my Accu-Sport .45 that has never cleaned up.
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 4, 2012 17:07:58 GMT -5
Yup. Strong sign of misalignment! That ones a candidate for a oversize 5 or 6 shot cylinder AND a new barrel!
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Post by subsonic on May 4, 2012 22:55:36 GMT -5
Yup. Strong sign of misalignment! That ones a candidate for a oversize 5 or 6 shot cylinder AND a new barrel! I will tell my wife you said so. Maybe she will listen to you?  ;D |
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Post by agrizz on May 5, 2012 9:37:31 GMT -5
If memory serves me, which is in question, there is an alignment pad inside of the cylinder crane that you may have to add to or subtract from in order to get the correct alignment with the barrel. That is for the horizontal. If you have a vertical issue that you really have a problem. Then a new barrel with the proper thread relief and relocation in the frame.
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 6, 2012 11:41:03 GMT -5
While I been waiting for my Smith to get back from the shop I firelapped my 32 Bisley, my FA97 32, my 629 and one of my OM Harton 44 SBHs. The 32s both perked right up and displayed improved accuracy with more than just thier "chosen" loads. Neither 32 displayed any restriction with a pin gauge check. So I hit the Bisley 24 times and the FA 26 times with 320 grit. Excellent results. The guns still show a marked preference for LBTs 120 grain GC bullet. I may have to find a way to just keep Fowlers mold forever....
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Post by boxhead on May 6, 2012 12:49:34 GMT -5
Well let me ask YOU Ed, exactly how well do your two Taylor throated sixguns shoot? I am sure I would need you to shoot them to demonstrate their ability.  |
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 6, 2012 20:22:10 GMT -5
Ah Ed but your a sly dog. With my crooked eye I might make your sixgun look bad...
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Post by jgt on May 20, 2012 16:13:47 GMT -5
When they first came out, I purchased the 44 magnum Performance Center revolver. It looked good in the magazines. In reality it was a production line gun with an oversize barrel screwed on. This gun didn't shoot as good as my 629 Classic Hunter. Later when I got tools to measure with, I checked the gun. Its measurements were not as good as the Classic Hunter, and a far cry from all the Smiths I owned that were built when the family still owned the company. My tripplelocks to the 1950 N-frames all had better measurments. From that point on I never looked at another PC gun as anything other than overpriced hype. I would have thought by now they would have improved but alas, it doesn't seem to have happened. Sorry you are having to deal with some of the same old issues.
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 20, 2012 17:53:01 GMT -5
Well JGT, you may be right about all of that! Sure seems so in this case!!! :-(
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 20, 2012 17:59:52 GMT -5
Ok, on Friday I got my revolvers back. I had sent off my 625PC and my 66 357 magnum for Taylor Throating. I cant say the proceedure DID NOT work, my 66 showed markedly less fouling and the groups were better and rounder than before. More shooting will tell. I spent more time with the 625. It still promptly displayed significant leading and poor accuracy. When my smith had the barrel in the lathe and was checking it with his indicator, one side of the grooves showed more TIR than the other. This results in a bullet that exits the muzzle out of round. This cant be good. Like a baseball with a wheel weight on one side, it aint gonna fly very straight. Again I checked it with hardball in Moon Clips and it is still about 3" at 25 yards. Pretty crappy deal all around.
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Post by subsonic on May 20, 2012 18:43:04 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about that. At least you know the reason for the problems. It seems like bad is just gonna be bad. Sell or re-barrel? Did you try loosening your grip?  |
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