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Post by triggernosis on Nov 21, 2011 10:16:48 GMT -5
Looking into getting my first sixgun and considering the Cimmaron Model "P" Jr. in .38 Spec.. What, exactly, does model "P" (Pre-War) mean?
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Post by kman68 on Nov 21, 2011 11:21:10 GMT -5
Model P indicates the single action army. A pre-war gun is one made prior to WWII. I believe production stopped in 1941 before being restarted in 1956.
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Post by Tx Gun Runner on Nov 21, 2011 13:20:56 GMT -5
Here a pic from Cimarron . Note the way the cylinder pin is released .  |
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Post by Tx Gun Runner on Nov 21, 2011 13:27:30 GMT -5
Looking into getting my first sixgun and considering the Cimmaron Model "P" Jr. in .38 Spec.. What, exactly, does model "P" (Pre-War) mean? The "P" is frame size of org Colt ..... The "P" jr is is slightly smaller then org Colt ...  |
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Post by triggernosis on Nov 21, 2011 13:53:13 GMT -5
Thanks, gentlemen.
Is that your personal collection, Gun Runner?
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Post by Tx Gun Runner on Nov 21, 2011 15:49:04 GMT -5
Thanks, gentlemen. Is that your personal collection, Gun Runner? YES ....... I got these Cimarron's to replace my Vaquero's for shooting SASS matches if my health and shoulders will hold up this year . |
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Post by triggernosis on Nov 22, 2011 8:12:21 GMT -5
Very nice! BTW, how well regulated (left-right) are the Cimmarons?
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Post by jimmarch on Nov 22, 2011 22:28:26 GMT -5
To understand these terms as Uberti and Cimarron have abused them, you need to know how they really work in real Colt SAAs.
1873: Original military SAA had a 7.5" barrel, iron frame, black powder rated only, large "bullseye" round ejector head and the cylinder pin removal was via a screw in the front-center of the frame.
1876-1895ish: no changes, except variations on the ejector rod head appear such as the closer-fitting crescent, and barrels shorter than 7.5" ship. 5.5" was a common one, either stock or cut back from the 7.5". At least some are chopped back by a US armory during refinishing.
1895: the frame gets beefed up some to handle smokeless powder and the base pin removal system switches to the side-latch system same as Ruger uses today. The transition wasn't 100% in line between these - I forget which came first but there's a tiny number of "overlap" guns. Anyways...accurate or not, the side-latch guns become known as the "smokeless frames" while the screw-held base pin frames are known as "black powder frames". The smokless variants from 1895-WW2 are good for 14,000psi loads in 45LC. NOTE: On any Italian gun this is purely a cosmetic issue - either frame type is smokeless rated.
WW2: production of the SAA stops, and the original machinery gets left out in the rain while they build stuff that can kill Germans, Japanese, etc. Anything before this time, smokeless or black, is considered a "first gen" gun as the frame size was the same.
1956 - present: Production re-starts on all new machinery. The frame size grows just a tad, and in 45LC the extra strength is good to 20,000-22,000psi. The hammer reach grows as well, with a higher-slung hammer for the new Hollywood-inspired "fanning" style of use. These are known as 2nd Gen through 4th Gen with minor tech tweaks along the way.
So. The deal with the Italians is, virtually all are fundamentally clones of the post-war Colts in terms of their basic size and heft and hammer shape/reach. They may have cosmetic features from the early days but that doesn't change what they fundamentally are.
Most USFAs are the same. They do make some "pre-war" realistic smaller-framed critters. And on their standard models like the Rodeo, they do a lower-slung hammer that replicates the hammer reach feel of the pre-war Colts.
If you take a Ruger New Vaquero (which is also a post-war Colt clone) and put a SuperBlackhawk hammer on it (or use the Montado standard hammer, or the ones on the "SASS specials") you'll replicate the hammer reach of a pre-war (first gen) Colt.
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