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Post by subsonic on Sept 6, 2011 13:24:30 GMT -5
With really heavy kickers, let's say .454 loaded to 62kpsi and bigger, how do you feel that barrel length effects the perceived recoil and shootability? Not talking accuracy, but comfort and what the gun does in your hand during recoil.
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Post by whitworth on Sept 6, 2011 13:51:56 GMT -5
Despite conventional wisdom, for me at least, the longer barrel will kick harder as the velocity increases over the same load in a shoter barreled revolver. Shorter barrels tend to produce more muzzle blast and noise, giving the illusion of more recoil. JMHO.
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Post by CraigC on Sept 6, 2011 14:11:33 GMT -5
Conventional wisdom holds that longer barrels recoil more gently but I've also found the opposite to be true. Gary Reeder agreed and postulated that the longer barrels have more leverage against your wrist. I would have to agree.
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Post by bigbores on Sept 6, 2011 23:51:48 GMT -5
Conventional wisdom holds that longer barrels recoil more gently but I've also found the opposite to be true. Gary Reeder agreed and postulated that the longer barrels have more leverage against your wrist. I would have to agree. I agree, I also think the longer barrel simply has a longer push. |
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Post by lloydsmale on Sept 7, 2011 5:17:22 GMT -5
theres a definate increase in recoil between my 5.5 in 475 and my 4 3/4 and i notice the same with the 500s. My old 5.5 inch gun allways seemed to have more muzzle flip then my 4 inch guns. I allways figured it was just that the bullet was in the barrel longer and cause it to rise more
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edk
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Post by edk on Sept 7, 2011 6:57:52 GMT -5
Have to agree: bullet in the barrel longer generates more power and thus more recoil. However the weight of the gun (or more specifically the added barrel length) is also a factor. This may be less pronounced in a shorter revolver but to demonstrate we Encore shooters like our long 1" bull barrels for a reason!
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 7, 2011 7:19:23 GMT -5
Lots of personal perception here... My perception is that my 6 inch magna ported FA 475 recoils more than an identical 7.5 inch FA... I'm sure that the muzzle blast from the porting is an complicating factor..
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Sept 7, 2011 8:12:38 GMT -5
I agree that much of this is personal perception. I own multiple barrel lengths in each of .454, .475, and .500 WE. All can be loaded to be mild to wild, of course.
BUT, when I got my 9" .475, I was truly startled at the reduction in felt recoil with the same loads, vs the 6" and 7 1/2" versions I had owned for several years. I can offer no explanation, but that's the way it is, anyway.
On the other hand, I shot 7 1/2" and 10 1/2" .44 Mag. SBH's on the same day in Metallic Silhouette matches for years, and can't say I ever noticed (or at least remember) a significant recoil difference in them.
Such questions are academically interesting, but IMO, you have to shoot 'em to really know.
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Post by gunzo on Sept 7, 2011 9:04:01 GMT -5
AXE wrote: "Lots of personal perception here"
Same with me & I decided to find out, why I don't remember, it wasn't like I was gonna shoot them in competition. I had two .44 Redhwks, a 5.5 & a 7.5. The 7.5 seemed not ot rise as much as the 5.5 during recoil when shooting double action. I borrowed a timer & my recovery time from shot to shot was quicker with the 7.5.
I then measured the muzzle rise of each gun when fired in my Ransom rest. The 7.5 was the lowest. I then sent the 5.5 to Magnaport & got 2 ports. Afterwards the 5.5 nearly equaled the 7.5 in both test.
By then I was "convinced" that longer barrels don't jump as much & Magnaporting worked. But, come to think of it, that was only with a Redhawk & that was only a test for muzzle rise & recovery time.
With other style grip frames or even the RH "perceived" recoil or what is felt in the palm of my hand might be different.
Hmmm... weight vs velocity vs leverage vs comfort. Ouch! my brain hurts.
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Post by steveb on Sept 7, 2011 9:04:07 GMT -5
Not having shot same loads in same gun, but different barrel lengths, don't know. What I think, that differs from popular opinion, is that fast loads hurt me more than heavy bullet loads. A max loading of H110 and a 200gr XTP seems to me to be harder on the hands than a 300gr bullet going 1200-1300fps. steve b
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 7, 2011 9:09:01 GMT -5
Argh! Just what I need... A good excuse to trade for more FAs... While I knew I my short barrel FA "set" was lacking I really thought that the Silhouette versions of the FA 22, 32, 357, and 44 was going to make my long barrel FA "set" complete. Guess I'll be looking for a 10 inch 454, 475 and 500WE now...  |
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 7, 2011 9:13:26 GMT -5
Back in my 500 S&W days I loaded a full case of H110 under 350s and 500s.. First impression was the 350 recoiled hardest. Taking the time to shoot both a little bit brought out the real truth. The 350 grain was a lot of hot air and concussion. The 500 grain was a HAMMER...
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Post by peacemaker on Sept 7, 2011 23:29:35 GMT -5
Have to agree: bullet in the barrel longer generates more power and thus more recoil. However the weight of the gun (or more specifically the added barrel length) is also a factor. Yes. I've noticed that most here who have mentioned perceiving more muzzle flip with longer barrels are shooting big bores. I'd bet that with smaller bores the added mass of a longer barrel reduces muzzle flip by a significant amount. |
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Post by dougader on Sept 8, 2011 10:32:01 GMT -5
I think my 7-1/2'' SRH 454 kicks harder than my SRH Alaskan, but that might have a little to do with the cushy Hogue grip on the Alaskan.
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nframe
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Post by nframe on Sept 22, 2011 8:39:00 GMT -5
In my experiences and using the same loads in "my" personal guns...I find the longer barrels to exude more perceived recoil. I feel this has to due with bullet dwell time. I have proven this, at least to myself, on numerous occasions. Not particularly scientific I agree, but I have observed it to be the case.
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