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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 8:20:27 GMT -5
For me it's a 4 5/8" flattop 357 frame.
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Post by Boge Quinn on Aug 10, 2010 8:41:30 GMT -5
I used to know a gal who was perfectly balanced - snuff ran out of BOTH sides of her mouth! ;D DId you marry her Boge or did that one git away? Alas, she found another.
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Post by steveb on Aug 10, 2010 9:57:41 GMT -5
Hear the same kinda stuff on knives. Balanced, where ? The faster a gun might need to be used, the lighter you'll want it. For hunting, where hopefuly, it'll be one carefully fired shot, some extra muzzle weight is nice. Its them pesky do-it-all, packin' pistols that are subject to hrs of mind rackin' thought as to balance and only you can make that call, on your piece. I enjoy the humor on this site, its sometimes lacking elsewhere. steve b
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Post by J Miller on Aug 10, 2010 10:18:52 GMT -5
I find a stock 7.5" Ruger BH .45 Colt with the AL XR3-RED grip frame and AL ERH to be badly out of balance. It feels like a log in my hands. Change the grip frame to the AL XR3 and add a steel ERH and it feels very nice. Actually I think it's the extra 1/4" between the front of the grip and the back of the trigger guard that throws it off.
A stock .45 Colt BH with a 4-5/8" barrel and the AL grip frame and ERH balances OK. Go figure. A stock .357 OM BH with a 4-5/8" barrel and the AL grip frame and ERH .... not so much. BUT~~
A 4-3/4" Colt SAA or copy seems to be perfectly balanced in my hands. I guess I've watched too many John Wayne movies.
Joe
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Post by Boge Quinn on Aug 10, 2010 14:38:24 GMT -5
A couple years back at the Shootist Holiday, Charlie Hanna handled and shot my 3-1/2" FA M97 in 45 Colt.
An aside here: if you don't know Mr. Hanna, that's too bad - he's a retired lawman, a truly grand and honorable gentleman, and a man whom I hold in the highest possible esteem and respect. He's the kind of man who makes being associated with him as a friend and brother Shootist the true value of that great organization. He's "been there and done that" more times than he cares to speak, and when he does speak it is with absolute authority and from real experience. He's in his 70s I reckon, and I wouldn't go up against him for love nor money.
Anyway - when he handled and shot my 3-1/2" FA M97, he told me that it was one of the most perfectly-balanced fighting sixguns he'd ever handled. He then proceeded to hold the FA out, letting it dangle from his index finger inside the trigger guard, and it hung perfectly level with the top of the revolver towards and parallel to the ground. He explained that's the kind of balance you look for in a fighting sixgun - for target shooting or hunting, he said, it's great to have a slight muzzle-heavy feel, but for a fighting handgun you want the balance to be in your HAND, not in the gun or out in front. That way the gun handles as quickly and surely as your empty hand. Made all kinds of sense to me, especially coming from Mr. Hanna, and I pay attention to that ever since.
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Post by 45colt on Aug 10, 2010 14:53:41 GMT -5
When I was looking for my first sixgun,the guy behind the counter handed me one. In my hand,was a 45 Colt.It had the grace and beauty of "talking to me". Mind you,I've had my F.A. Model 83 454 Casull for a few years.Fired it some. But in the gunshop that day,I've never had one to practically say "BUY ME.TAKE ME HOME !". I have no way to explain this.The feel,and the balance came together,It would have been my choice. Didn't have the funds at the time.Otherwise,I'd make a deposit.I had to pass on it. That's the reason why I say,"Pay attention.These sixguns will "talk" to you. Listen to what they say.".Not just in the handling,also in shooting them. Others,I had handled and shot,never felt this way. To put this into a perspective,it's what is the balance for you.
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Post by wickerbill on Aug 15, 2010 15:18:18 GMT -5
It's just what feels right to you. I like a 5 1/2" barrel the best, but I have or have had all of the other barrel lenths too. Bill
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Post by timothy on Aug 15, 2010 15:44:40 GMT -5
Personally I think balance is nice but pretty far down the list things to have in a field gun. I've missed and made too many shots with too many guns to conclude anything definate regarding balance in my experience.
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Post by nonpcnrarn on Aug 23, 2010 11:33:40 GMT -5
DId you marry her Boge or did that one git away? Alas, she found another. My wife thinks she is top heavy at 36D. I told her I could adjust my grip. ;D
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akray
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Post by akray on Aug 23, 2010 13:27:03 GMT -5
I was at my summer job with the engineer I was working with and he was talking to a pretty lady who was a foreman on that job. During their discussion she casually opened the door of the truck she was sitting in and got rid of a mouthful of tobacco juice right on the ground in front of him. I was stunned. I stood there and asked myself if I'd really just seen what I saw. The puddle was there on the ground for evidence, and just like she was removing all doubt, she did it again. I'd seen her with a can of chew before, but I thought she might be holding it for someone else. She has such a nice friendly smile too. The engineer got done talking to her, and told me that he thought she was pretty, but that the chaw thing just kind of ruined the whole picture for him.
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coyote
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Post by coyote on Aug 23, 2010 13:50:50 GMT -5
"perfect balance" is like the perfect woman: all in the eye of the beholder, and almost impossible to define or find.
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Post by boxhead on Aug 23, 2010 14:02:32 GMT -5
Hands down, my best feeling, balanced, handling, whatever you want to call it sixgun is my 45 Colt conversion on a 357 OMBH with a 5 1/2 barrel, aluminum grip frame and long aluminum ERH. I do prefer a bit of weight out there.
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Post by johnm on Aug 24, 2010 7:32:56 GMT -5
"Perhaps the only truly balanced SAA would be a loaded Shopkeeper's model. I don't have one, so can't say, and wouldn't have any idea what caliber would come closest to balance in that short barrel length"
I'd agree: .45 Colt, loaded. The gun just comes up from hippocket to eye-target axis, to trigger-snaps with no hitches or glitches, or adjustments -- either on the way or once it's aligned in that flash/point-aim. The other gun that does equally well, or enuff so that one can say that, is my Ruger Montado. In fact,it's a bit quicker with the lowed hammer spur.
My Storekeeper [first issue] is going back for a factory refit of the spiral ejector tube and Bisley hammer [175$ factory installed]. Also giving serious thought to a Longhunter makeover/tune to for reliability purposes. I have had very few SAA reliability issues, but hand springs and trigger springs DO and have broken. Flat steel springs iz flat springs, and it just a matter of 'when', not 'if'. For a pistol that has potential mortal uses, coil/music wire springs make a bit more sense.
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coyote
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Post by coyote on Aug 24, 2010 10:51:29 GMT -5
"Perhaps the only truly balanced SAA would be a loaded Shopkeeper's model. I don't have one, so can't say, and wouldn't have any idea what caliber would come closest to balance in that short barrel length" I'd agree: .45 Colt, loaded. The gun just comes up from hippocket to eye-target axis, to trigger-snaps with no hitches or glitches, or adjustments -- either on the way or once it's aligned in that flash/point-aim. The other gun that does equally well, or enuff so that one can say that, is my Ruger Montado. In fact,it's a bit quicker with the lowed hammer spur. My Storekeeper [first issue] is going back for a factory refit of the spiral ejector tube and Bisley hammer [175$ factory installed]. Also giving serious thought to a Longhunter makeover/tune to for reliability purposes. I have had very few SAA reliability issues, but hand springs and trigger springs DO and have broken. Flat steel springs iz flat springs, and it just a matter of 'when', not 'if'. For a pistol that has potential mortal uses, coil/music wire springs make a bit more sense. we're in full agreement johnm. my montado and recent-version storekeeper are the best balanced SA i've tried. if i had the original storekeeper like yours, i'd definitely have USFA change to the bisley-style hammer and cammed ejector tube. they're what really separate it from other short barrels SAA. and yes, i think LHSS's upgrades and mods are worth it. over the years i've had a couple of flat handsprings break, and the coil spring they use is unlikely to ever give me problems. go for it.
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groo
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Post by groo on Aug 25, 2010 4:30:11 GMT -5
Groo here Balance = point ablity This is different for each person /gun.. That being said ,, I like that hanging flat test and will try it on the other guns I "like"
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