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Post by ohnomrbillk on Jul 21, 2010 11:16:37 GMT -5
Glenn and I talked about this big boy over lunch. 300 RUM necked up to 338. Gives the 338 Lapua a run for its money with much cheaper components. Something to think about for us long range rifle guys. Here is the link: www.defensiveedge.net/338%20edge/338-edge-load.htm |
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 21, 2010 11:34:28 GMT -5
338 is another sweet spot for SD and BC... Recoil drives the competitive shooters to the 6.5 for similiar numbers.. You guys remember that with the 300 RUM there was a 338 RUM.... I recently took a little inspiration from SixShot and let most of my rifles go.. I have high expectations for the 15 inch 338 GNR barrel for my Encore I just traded for but I know that the 280 GNR that is arriving this week will be the one I can go to the range and enjoy all afternoon.... The 257 GNR will be even better!  |
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 21, 2010 14:52:15 GMT -5
As Axe mentioned, this eventually became a factory job: 338 Ultra Mag:  I agree it's a nice alternative to 338 Lapua. -Lee www.singleactions.com |
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Post by ohnomrbillk on Jul 21, 2010 16:25:09 GMT -5
The Edge is a little different. Remington opted to shorten the case for the 338 RUM. Using the 300 Rum case necked up gives a little more capacity.
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Post by zeus on Jul 23, 2010 9:30:54 GMT -5
The 338 UM is definitely shorter, hence the reason for using the 300 case. I'm thinking this will be my next long range plinker....GS
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 23, 2010 11:30:09 GMT -5
Had a 300 UM PSS back when you could call Remington and they would insist that it had never been made.. The tale I got was it would defeat light body armor at long range that the 308 could not.... Never shot it without a PAST recoil shield... First time out it was fun... Didn't make a mark on my shoulder... Two days later my bones hurt.. Gunsmith buddy put a brake on it..
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Post by wickerbill on Jul 23, 2010 20:30:39 GMT -5
Had a 300 UM PSS back when you could call Remington and they would insist that it had never been made.. The tale I got was it would defeat light body armor at long range that the 308 could not.... Never shot it without a PAST recoil shield... First time out it was fun... Didn't make a mark on my shoulder... Two days later my bones hurt.. Gunsmith buddy put a brake on it.. And you wonder why I didn't buy it from you. I had already shot one. The only reason I can still shoot my 45-70 Sharps is the fack that it weighs a little over 12 lbs. and it absorbs a lot of the recoil. |
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Post by maxcactus on Jul 28, 2010 14:22:48 GMT -5
After seeing this post, I did some reading/homework on this round over the weekend. I'm not a fan of ultra-powerful "magnum" rifle cartridges but this sure looks like a practical long-range round for military applications. And while it certainly appears the fellas at DE are very accomplished long-range riflemen/hunters and their tools appear to be top-notch as well, I guess I just find it hard to call what they're doing "hunting". For those who haven't watched their videos, the fellas of DE are shown taking several big game animals from 600 - >1000 yards away. In all cases, the game was killed cleanly and humanely and usually with a single shot.
I'm not trying to insult anyone or start a long-winded debate here. It just seems to me like handgun/revolver hunters and these fellas are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum in more ways than simply the obvious. Both require a lot of skill and discipline but a very different SET of skills. Stalking vs. precise range estimation, wind-reading, etc, etc. Are we simply seeing the evolution/future of hunting in watching their videos?
In my mind, "hunting" implies some level of stalking with the possibility that the game might sense your presence and not allow you within range or might run out of range. These videos seemed to me to be more like big game "sniping" wherein the game not only wasn't aware of the presence of the hunters but couldn't have been because of the distance involved.
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Post by Len on Jul 28, 2010 19:49:11 GMT -5
On the left is my 338 wildcat 250 grains of bullet at 3,000 fps. Not hard to shoot and very accurate. I have shot non dangerous game with it at just over 500 yards the bullets retained energy is phenomenal as a result of velocity , and a high b.c.  |
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Post by zeus on Jul 29, 2010 9:16:06 GMT -5
We are checking with Hart today to check on barrel availability. This will be a neat toy at some point |
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 29, 2010 10:25:50 GMT -5
Have you looked at the loading data for the 338 GNR? It gets up there pretty good with just a 15 inch barrel on an Encore... I haven't taken mine to the range yet but I have high expectations! Got through all the brass sizing yesterday.. Need to do some trimming and I'll be off to the range for fire forming..
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Post by brettov on Jul 30, 2010 18:48:11 GMT -5
After seeing this post, I did some reading/homework on this round over the weekend. I'm not a fan of ultra-powerful "magnum" rifle cartridges but this sure looks like a practical long-range round for military applications. And while it certainly appears the fellas at DE are very accomplished long-range riflemen/hunters and their tools appear to be top-notch as well, I guess I just find it hard to call what they're doing "hunting". For those who haven't watched their videos, the fellas of DE are shown taking several big game animals from 600 - >1000 yards away. In all cases, the game was killed cleanly and humanely and usually with a single shot. I'm not trying to insult anyone or start a long-winded debate here. It just seems to me like handgun/revolver hunters and these fellas are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum in more ways than simply the obvious. Both require a lot of skill and discipline but a very different SET of skills. Stalking vs. precise range estimation, wind-reading, etc, etc. Are we simply seeing the evolution/future of hunting in watching their videos? In my mind, "hunting" implies some level of stalking with the possibility that the game might sense your presence and not allow you within range or might run out of range. These videos seemed to me to be more like big game "sniping" wherein the game not only wasn't aware of the presence of the hunters but couldn't have been because of the distance involved. Max. I'm not disagreeing with you , but I wonder if that is how the native americans felt when they first saw people with firearms shooting game ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 20:24:34 GMT -5
Len: what case is your 338 wildcat built on?
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Post by Len on Jul 31, 2010 9:15:12 GMT -5
bigbore, I used an RCBS 45 Basic. I was looking for 338/378 performance out of a more affordable rifle so I designed a case for the Ruger # 1 rifle. Early testing gave me over 3200 fps with a 250 grain bullet I decided to reduce the load to accomplish the original goal of 3,000 fps. A couple of friends have borrowed the reamer and really like the cartridges performance. I have attached my original drawing hope its clear.  |
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