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Post by foxtrapper on Oct 24, 2024 16:07:38 GMT -5
Range trip today with the FA 97 and 2008 41 mag. Going along swimming with both platforms. Hitting the gong at 100 yards with the 2008 is just to easy! lol Gotta say the trifecta rest is the bees knees! I did get rid of using the bog pog as a tripod. Just to cumbersome in the sitting position. Bought a $39.00 tripod from Amazon that works beautifully! I did mount a holosun 407 c on the 97 which was a total step up for accuracy! Pretty much from a sitting position using the trifecta rest I was able to hit the gong @100yrds almost at will! That’s with a 4 1/2” barrel! Now for the FA service, the cylinder locked u tight after the second shot of a full cylinder! I mean tight! Absolutely no movement at all. I could see that bullet jump wasn’t the issue and as there was a spent cartridge under the hammer. I got home and gave FA a call and had Bob trouble shoot the problem. Found that the firing pin was not an issue and the bolt would drop when I pulled back the hammer( hammer only would move 3/8” or so) . Bob determined that something was stuck between the cylinder and barrel. So with his instructions I held the hammer back the little it would so the bolt would drop. I then took a rubber grippy ,like you would use to open a jar and tried to turn the cylinder knocking out the obstruction. I gave it my best that wasn’t enough lol, but after a warning from Bob that if I could not turn it we would try a pipe wrench!! He was kidding of course ! Gun must of heard the threat of the wrench and came free!! A piece of jacket material was the culprit! He asked me to look at the primer hit on the spent case to see if the strike was centered. Which it was not. Now to load gun ,you go to half cock open gate and load. It is essential that you not go to full cock from there and fire. Lower the hammer and then to full cock to make sure the gun goes into full battery. Lesson learned. Anyhoo I’m back in business!! Folks were wonderful at FA!
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Post by x101airborne on Oct 25, 2024 5:07:13 GMT -5
Glad you got it fixed and thanks for the tip. I did not know about returning the hammer forward before coming to full cock to fire.
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Post by messybear on Oct 25, 2024 7:19:53 GMT -5
So the problem was in loading. You went to full cock from half?
Cylinder didn’t lock up, out of alignment and fired, hence the jacket material tying it up? Good to know as I have heard of others with similar problem.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 25, 2024 8:07:04 GMT -5
Range trip today with the FA 97 and 2008 41 mag. Going along swimming with both platforms. Hitting the gong at 100 yards with the 2008 is just to easy! lol Gotta say the trifecta rest is the bees knees! I did get rid of using the bog pog as a tripod. Just to cumbersome in the sitting position. Bought a $39.00 tripod from Amazon that works beautifully! I did mount a holosun 407 c on the 97 which was a total step up for accuracy! Pretty much from a sitting position using the trifecta rest I was able to hit the gong @100yrds almost at will! That’s with a 4 1/2” barrel! Now for the FA service, the cylinder locked u tight after the second shot of a full cylinder! I mean tight! Absolutely no movement at all. I could see that bullet jump wasn’t the issue and as there was a spent cartridge under the hammer. I got home and gave FA a call and had Bob trouble shoot the problem. Found that the firing pin was not an issue and the bolt would drop when I pulled back the hammer( hammer only would move 3/8” or so) . Bob determined that something was stuck between the cylinder and barrel. So with his instructions I held the hammer back the little it would so the bolt would drop. I then took a rubber grippy ,like you would use to open a jar and tried to turn the cylinder knocking out the obstruction. I gave it my best that wasn’t enough lol, but after a warning from Bob that if I could not turn it we would try a pipe wrench!! He was kidding of course ! Gun must of heard the threat of the wrench and came free!! A piece of jacket material was the culprit! He asked me to look at the primer hit on the spent case to see if the strike was centered. Which it was not. Now to load gun ,you go to half cock open gate and load. It is essential that you not go to full cock from there and fire. Lower the hammer and then to full cock to make sure the gun goes into full battery. Lesson learned. Anyhoo I’m back in business!! Folks were wonderful at FA! ***** foxtrapper.... your well thought description makes possible an answer. Revolvers are designed to cock from BATTERY----cylinder locked, chamber in alignment. Some mechanisms, notably on the Colt Single Action concept with a LAODING COCK or HALF-COCK on the hammer, may fail to fully advance the cylinder when the hammer is brough to FULL COCK from the loading notch. This can happen when a chamber is almost----but not quite----indexed. Such a condition allows the hammer to reach FULL COCK without locking the cylinder in battery. Upon hammer fall the firing pin strikes the side of the primer @ 9 o'clock. The resulting out-of-battery discharge causes bullet to strike the BARREL FACE @ 3 o'clock. Especially in presence of minimal cylinder gap, shaved bullet material wedges between cylinder face and barrel face, seizing cylinder. (Note: jacket material wedges tighter than lead.) (Bill Ruger’s New Model lockwork makes it just about impossible to effect an out-of-battery discharge.) Proper revolver technique includes cocking a revolver lock-to-lock. When loading or reloading a single action under time pressure, it is imperative to assure chamber indexes when cocking from half-cock. David Bradshaw |
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Post by foxtrapper on Oct 25, 2024 9:05:12 GMT -5
So the problem was in loading. You went to full cock from half? Cylinder didn’t lock up, out of alignment and fired, hence the jacket material tying it up? Good to know as I have heard of others with similar problem. Exactly, Bob said to look at the primer to see if the strike was centered it wasn’t! Another clue to the slightly out of battery condition. |
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Post by foxtrapper on Oct 25, 2024 9:09:21 GMT -5
Mr. Bradshaw your explanation is right on the mark! Wish I knew( I should’ve ) but now I do!
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Post by bushog on Oct 25, 2024 9:14:35 GMT -5
I wanna hear more about the 2008 in .41 mag.
I have a 10” one on the way!
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Post by foxtrapper on Oct 25, 2024 11:48:26 GMT -5
I wanna hear more about the 2008 in .41 mag. I have a 10” one on the way! What can I say! It’s a great shooter! Got the Lovell scope mount factory installed where I added a 2x7 weaver. Factory action job. I have put over 700 rounds through it without a hiccup! Is yours coming from sjs on guns international? That’s where I bought mine ,so same configuration. After hunting season I’m sending it back to FA for a 6.5 creed caliber conversion! |
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Post by bushog on Oct 25, 2024 15:06:09 GMT -5
I wanna hear more about the 2008 in .41 mag. I have a 10” one on the way! What can I say! It’s a great shooter! Got the Lovell scope mount factory installed where I added a 2x7 weaver. Factory action job. I have put over 700 rounds through it without a hiccup! Is yours coming from sjs on guns international? That’s where I bought mine ,so same configuration. After hunting season I’m sending it back to FA for a 6.5 creed caliber conversion! Nah, I got mine from Shootist1894….. price was more than right. I saw that one on GI and half going to buy it and this one showed up…. I want a .338 Federal barrel for mine… |
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 26, 2024 10:54:22 GMT -5
Important to understand the out-of-battery discharge is operator induced, and this is how it can happen on a Freedom Arms:
Operator....
1) Loads chambers.
2) Pulls hammer back to release half-cock (loading notch), holding hammer between HALF and FULL cock.
3) Inadvertently advances cylinder. (Operator-induced THROW-BY.)
4) Cocks hammer. (Chamber offset slightly to right of bore.)
5) Pulls trigger.
6) Firing pin strikes left side of primer.
7) Bullet strikes right side of BARREL FACE.
Members of Singleations, including Lee Martin, Ronnie Wells, and Larry Crow, may clarify, correct, or detail this description. Questions are welcome.
David Bradshaw
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