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Post by potatojudge on Sept 7, 2024 20:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by northerngos on Sept 7, 2024 22:25:28 GMT -5
I’m working on a recipe for a paradox. Big thing is TSS is so hard it’ll damage the bore. I’m looking at several overlapping Mylar and Teflon wraps, but I have yet to test it. I considered, for a regular revolver, doing gas check over powder, the shot column, wrapping that with a teflon wrap, then two very thin formed brass or copper clamshell sleeve “wad” petals, then a teflon wrap, capped with a gas check upside down. All this crud takes up space, but then you gain some shot count back by going several sizes smaller with tss vs lead. My hope was that the copper would protect the bore and that the Teflon/copper layers would act like bearings and reduce the rotation imparted on the shot column by the rifling. I have all of the components, I’ll let you know what I find out. Hoping to load this up over the next couple of weeks.
TSS can be had in #11 also by the way, supposed to be plenty for pheasant and rabbits.
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Post by potatojudge on Sept 7, 2024 23:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by northerngos on Sept 8, 2024 9:40:04 GMT -5
That might be perfect, I have always thought the speer capsule broke up when shot and that would be bad with tss (I could easily be wrong about the Speer capsule breaking, I’ve never used them) but that 3D print one looks like it would stay together. If the pattern is still scattering a guy could try one teflon wrap inside and see what that does? I’d be very interested in what you see if you experiment with it!
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Post by bushog on Sept 8, 2024 10:55:46 GMT -5
In a .45 could you use a .410 shotgun wad to protect the barrel?
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Post by northerngos on Sept 8, 2024 11:53:25 GMT -5
I’ll have to measure when I get home but I think a 410 was is a little undersized for a 45 colt case? Which may not matter, maybe put a felt wad under it for a bore seal and see what happens. May even help with imparting less spin from rifling? I’d still use a Mylar wrap in case the wad starts to split that tungsten is nasty.
I bought some tss designed 410 wads to experiment with the paradox, the main reason I started to gear for multiple Mylar wraps was that the petals on the wad are a lot thicker at the base, so you lose a bit of shot volume. Bit of a different animal than shot shells for .45 or .44 though.
I think if a person could reduce the spin on the shot column they would gain a lot of range, maybe a slightly undersized wad would be the ticket.
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Post by jreidthompson1 on Sept 8, 2024 13:35:31 GMT -5
? What about powder coating the shot a couple of layers ?
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Post by gregs on Sept 18, 2024 12:24:33 GMT -5
I looked at TSS when working up Magtech brass brass 410 loads for 2.5" shells and fireformed 9.3x74R cases for 3" cases. Pretty impressive stuff. Guys are using 410s and getting great patterns at 60 plus yards with enough energy to kill at 70+.
410 wads for TSS are similar to steel wads. Lead 410 wads are to soft and your barrel w>ll get scratched. Hard on chakes too
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Post by northerngos on Sept 20, 2024 17:16:07 GMT -5
? What about powder coating the shot a couple of layers ? This is a good thought, I think that the tss is so hard that it may result in the lands cutting through the powder coat? But it may be worth a shot, and if nothing else could be done in addition to the other steps. One of the things that makes tss pattern so well at long range is that it is so hard it doesn’t deform. I imagine imperfect powder coating would result in some loss of pattern density but all of that is probably moot out of a handgun. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 21, 2024 6:56:13 GMT -5
Powder coat and buffer with cream of wheat. Also the eBay printed shot cups felt thicker than the Speer 45 cups did. I didn't try tss, but did try steel a few years ago. No damage from the 50 I shot, but went back to copper washed shot and kept the buffer.
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Post by richard on Sept 21, 2024 8:18:39 GMT -5
From what I understand the Speer shot capsules break after they leave the bore due to the outward pressure from the spinning shot.
Those printed capsules might be a way to bring back the “foraging” .45/70 rounds that the Army issued for small game hunting back in the 1800’s
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Post by leftysixgun on Sept 21, 2024 8:42:28 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I guess I’m missing something….why go thru all that trouble? All that for a shotshell in a handgun?  |
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Post by leftysixgun on Sept 21, 2024 8:45:04 GMT -5
I cut a card wad for over the powder….lay the shot….lay an upside down gas check over the shot with a heavy roll crimp and a dab or super glue…..no issues yet
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Post by pacecars on Sept 21, 2024 8:47:12 GMT -5
If you want to try some I have some 9.5 shot laying around here somewhere. PM me your address and I can send you some to try out. I am interested in what you may learn Ronnie |
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 21, 2024 22:27:09 GMT -5
I cut a card wad for over the powder….lay the shot….lay an upside down gas check over the shot with a heavy roll crimp and a dab or super glue…..no issues yet With TSS? The tungsten is much harder than the barrel steel. Doesn't it damage your rifling in the bore riding down it bare like that? |
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