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Post by bearskinner on Aug 17, 2024 10:08:27 GMT -5
That’s my gun! See my photo background? Yup, I stole your patio table just to take pictures! I figured I couldn’t afford the snazzy guns you always acquire, but if I take pics on a similar table, it will make my toys as Fancy as yours! |
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Post by bearskinner on Aug 17, 2024 10:11:06 GMT -5
Dang that's a lot of checked boxes on the box end. Very nice! All the boxes checked, plus a few that weren’t checked. Octagon barrel, trigger over travel screw, muzzle crown, micarta grips, action job, all 4 cylinders, and sent off to Ken at Magna-port for treatment. |
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Post by loupuleff on Oct 12, 2024 7:21:11 GMT -5
I have a 4 cylinder 83 the only issue is the twist rate is 1-24 as you get older the full power 454 gets tougher to shoot at least for me I'm working on some win mag loads but normally a 1-16 twist is required so not sure it will ever be a super duper tack driver. Bob and I were talking the other day about me buying a unchambered barrel for my 2008 single shot I'm undecided on going forward with that ?
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 12, 2024 9:04:55 GMT -5
I have a 4 cylinder 83 the only issue is the twist rate is 1-24 as you get older the full power 454 gets tougher to shoot at least for me I'm working on some win mag loads but normally a 1-16 twist is required so not sure it will ever be a super duper tack driver.... ***** My Ruger 03 with .45 ACP cylinder and Les Baer 1911 Super Tac, each with 1:16” twist, have proven more accurate with some ACP loads than the the Freedom Arms Model 83 with .45 ACP cylinder, both factory and handload. In comparison with most rifle bullets, revolver and auto pistol bullets have the ballistic coefficient of a flower pot, thus are much less twist-sensitive. Even so, there is a drop-off where a slower twist marginalizes stability of a revolver bullet. It takes a big boost in velocity to equal the rpm from a slightly faster twist. If a bullet could hold velocity the way it holds rotational spin it might never slow down. Renowned hunter, competitive marksman, and writer Jim Carmichel recounted an engineer declaring that rotation stops when a bullet enters an animal, that drag-in-target instantly pinches the bullet to stop rotation. Didn’t believe it forty years ago, don’t believe it now. European rifles with fast twist rates were said to kill faster than American rifles with somewhat slower twist. (The argument was also made that European bottleneck cartridges derived superior killings power from proportionately heavier bullets.) High speed photography of bullets fired into ballistic gelatin shows the bullet continues to rotate. Which proves performance demonstrated in the field long before photography offered graphic proof. For my two cents, Dick Casull’s preferred 1:24” twist is specific to his Rocks & Dynamite .454 loads----ideal for neither .45 Colt or .45 ACP. Even so, a Model 83 .454 Casull can be & is a pretty special pistol with the .45 Colt and .45 ACP cylinders. Not all ammo which lives happily in a .45 Colt or ACP will be happy in the Freedom Arms. David Bradshaw |
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Post by Odin on Oct 12, 2024 11:01:50 GMT -5
I have a 4 cylinder 83 the only issue is the twist rate is 1-24 as you get older the full power 454 gets tougher to shoot at least for me I'm working on some win mag loads but normally a 1-16 twist is required so not sure it will ever be a super duper tack driver.... ***** My Ruger 03 with .45 ACP cylinder and Les Baer 1911 Super Tac, each with 1:16” twist, have proven more accurate with some ACP loads than the the Freedom Arms Model 83 with .45 ACP cylinder, both factory and handload. In comparison with most rifle bullets, revolver and auto pistol bullets have the ballistic coefficient of a flower pot, thus are much less twist-sensitive. Even so, there is a drop-off where a slower twist marginalizes stability of a revolver bullet. It takes a big boost in velocity to equal the rpm from a slightly faster twist. If a bullet could hold velocity the way it holds rotational spin it might never slow down. Renowned hunter, competitive marksman, and writer Jim Carmichel recounted an engineer declaring that rotation stops when a bullet enters an animal, that drag-in-target instantly pinches the bullet to stop rotation. European rifles with fast twist rates were said to kill faster than American rifles with somewhat slower twist. (The argument was also made that European bottleneck cartridges derived superior killings power from proportionately heavier bullets.) High speed photography of bullets fired into ballistic gelatin shows the bullet continues to rotate. Which proves performance demonstrated in the field long before photography offered graphic proof. For my two cents, Dick Casull’s preferred 1:24” twist is specific to his Rocks & Dynamite .454 loads----ideal for neither .45 Colt or .45 ACP. Even so, a Model 83 .454 Casull can be & is a pretty special pistol with the .45 Colt and .45 ACP cylinders. Not all ammo which lives happily in a .45 Colt or ACP will be happy in the Freedom Arms. David Bradshaw I find myself somewhat in the same boat. Came upon a M83 and took it home. Decided I want a shorter barrel and the auxillary ACP cylinder. Upon further consideration I'm thinking about having Freedom Arms install the new cylinder, but seeking out a custom smith to fit a 1:16 tube. |
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Post by loupuleff on Oct 12, 2024 13:15:26 GMT -5
Yeah I think this would have worked better in a Dan Wesson platform you can at least swap out the barrels. I just bought a SSK contender frame going to have a 45 Win mag barrel made I have so much brass and bullets it's worth the cost those are 1-16 twist rate.
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