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Post by woody on Apr 9, 2024 16:39:29 GMT -5
This is going to be my rant for the month. I have a model 66 4” I bought In October. It shot 6” to the left at 15-20 yards. Sent it back to the factory to have them look at the gun. Got it back today after waiting 5 months. Guess what? Shoots the same POI as it did when I sent It out. The paperwork said barrel turned sighted in. I call Bullshit!!!!! I’m so mad!!! So tomorrow I will call them back and I’m sure they will say send it back. I’m not waiting another 5 months to get to turned around again. Looks like it will be someone else’s problem. I will sell it.
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Post by pacecars on Apr 9, 2024 17:05:24 GMT -5
Their guy that does the accuracy check is cross-eyed 🤓
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Post by jeffh on Apr 9, 2024 17:18:29 GMT -5
.....Looks like it will be someone else’s problem. I will sell it. I know you're mad, but hopefully you sell it with full-disclosure so some other poor schmuck doesn't get burned. Not really the "next guys" fault.
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Post by woody on Apr 9, 2024 17:29:01 GMT -5
.....Looks like it will be someone else’s problem. I will sell it. I know you're mad, but hopefully you sell it with full-disclosure so some other poor schmuck doesn't get burned. Not really the "next guys" fault. Hard to do that when it goes off to auction. The same auction house it came from.
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Post by cas on Apr 9, 2024 17:51:23 GMT -5
So you were "the next guy", going to be the next guy's "last guy". I had a Bisley Vaquero that did what they normally did. (low left) Sent it back to Ruger TWICE. Still didn't help. Clocked the barrel, bent the front sight, opened one side of the rear. Nope, still not enough. Must have been a bad frame casting or something, the base pin was very fussy getting it in or out. You'd have thought that would have been enough for Ruger to realize this wasn't small problem, but no joy. In retrospect I should have cut it up into piece, I refused to drop that dog turd on some other unsuspecting person and kept throwing money at it. Sent it to Clements and had adjustable sight put on it. It worked, was usable, but the front sight still visibly leaned over. It left such a bad taste in my mouth I sold it (with full disclosure) for about what I'd put into it in work and shipping several times.
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Post by woody on Apr 9, 2024 18:11:05 GMT -5
So you were "the next guy", going to be the next guy's "last guy". I had a Bisley Vaquero that did what they normally did. (low left) Sent it back to Ruger TWICE. Still didn't help. Clocked the barrel, bent the front sight, opened one side of the rear. Nope, still not enough. Must have been a bad frame casting or something, the base pin was very fussy getting it in or out. You'd have thought that would have been enough for Ruger to realize this wasn't small problem, but no joy. In retrospect I should have cut it up into piece, I refused to drop that dog turd on some other unsuspecting person and kept throwing money at it. Sent it to Clements and had adjustable sight put on it. It worked, was usable, but the front sight still visibly leaned over. It left such a bad taste in my mouth I sold it (with full disclosure) for about what I'd put into it in work and shipping several times. The front sight is visibly canted to the right. This is the second 66 that I’ve owned. Last one had issues too. It sucks because I really want a 4” 66. I have a 4” .357 mountain gun but always like the full profile barrel of the 66 and just like K frames.
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Post by jeffh on Apr 9, 2024 18:20:16 GMT -5
I know you're mad, but hopefully you sell it with full-disclosure so some other poor schmuck doesn't get burned. Not really the "next guys" fault. Hard to do that when it goes off to auction. The same auction house it came from.
No, it's not hard at all. Just include it in the description. Like I said, not rally the "next guy's" fault. For all anyone knows, it could end up being one of us.
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Post by woody on Apr 9, 2024 18:42:51 GMT -5
Hard to do that when it goes off to auction. The same auction house it came from. No, it's not hard at all. Just include it in the description. Like I said, not rally the "next guy's" fault. For all anyone knows, it could end up being one of us.
You’re overly concerned with the auction description. Here’s an idea want to buy it? If not don’t worry about it. I’ve never seen any auction house list buyer input like that. If so I wouldn’t have bought it myself. Gunbroker is another story. If I was To list it there then yes I would put that in the description.
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Post by jeffh on Apr 9, 2024 19:01:29 GMT -5
No, it's not hard at all. Just include it in the description. Like I said, not rally the "next guy's" fault. For all anyone knows, it could end up being one of us.
You’re overly concerned with the auction description. Here’s an idea want to buy it? If not don’t worry about it. I’ve never seen any auction house list buyer input like that. If so I wouldn’t have bought it myself. Gunbroker is another story. If I was To list it there then yes I would put that in the description.
Well, at least I know what's wrong with it, so that would be fair and honest negotiation.
At first I just thought you were just mad and wouldn't really do that to someone else. Figured you were blowing off steam. Posting publicly so adamantly about doing someone else dirty by means of omitting a serious problem in the information shared kinda shows one's true colors. Now, if it had come from your estate to auction, no one could blame you for not telling, but this is different.
Most dirty dealers do so deceitfully. At least you're honest about meaning to do someone else wrong,... I guess.
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Post by cdf41 on Apr 9, 2024 20:10:21 GMT -5
Trade that bad boy in lol. I've been lusting for a 4 inch 66, 19 or 686 for a long time now I'm maybe a little hesitant... Buddy of mine at church picked up a 4 inch 686 for $650 ...new!!! I will be asking him tomorrow which gun shop he went to.
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Post by nirvana91 on Apr 9, 2024 21:40:11 GMT -5
Sorry man but i agree with jeff if i ended up with that i would be beyond pissed knowing someone purposely screwed me. Ive bought quite a few guns from the auction houses maybe not as many as you but i dont see why a simple description about whats up cant be included. Obviously doing that your probably gonna lose some but i guess thats just me. I just know im not rich and only if lucky buy a few guns a year so i can imagine how someone would feel about that.
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Post by potatojudge on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:34 GMT -5
Well, at least I know what's wrong with it, so that would be fair and honest negotiation. At first I just thought you were just mad and wouldn't really do that to someone else. Figured you were blowing off steam. Posting publicly so adamantly about doing someone else dirty by means of omitting a serious problem in the information shared kinda shows one's true colors. Now, if it had come from your estate to auction, no one could blame you for not telling, but this is different.
Most dirty dealers do so deceitfully. At least you're honest about meaning to do someone else wrong,... I guess.
Well I guess this was a waste of a post as usual. They always go sideways and way off topic. This board is starting to run its course the same as others. If your part of the click everyone can’t answer you fast enough or if your one of the worshiped ones everyone can’t suck them off fast enough. Not sure where you get I’m going to be intentionally deceitful? If I was selling it to a person face to face. I would absolutely tell the buyer about it. I’m probably the most honest seller you will ever meet. I’ve had many a gun corrected or fixed before I sold it so I don’t decieve the buyer. My feedback speaks for itself. I’ve bought from every major auction house in the country, many smaller ones as well know and even from England recently. Never seen a description from any of them that says anything more than description and condition of metal, finish etc. Have I been burned? Yes a few times. But that’s the chance I took So if you don’t have anything to add other than critique me stay the fuck off my post!!! 15 years on this board... I think what we're seeing here is the result of cognitive dissonance. Feeling a need to make a distinction between you selling the gun personally and needing to disclose a problem vs having an auction house sell on your behalf so you don't need to disclose is a means to an end- that is dumping the gun while preserving your view of yourself as an honest seller. It's a very distressing position to put yourself in, and when a board member pushes the issue we get this result. It's clear you're not really internally comfortable doing this, and so good for you because that's the right way to feel and I think consistent with the general culture of this group. Sorry the gun is a disappointment and that the service has been as well. Not at all your fault, just bad luck or maybe the results of a bad actor dumping the gun. What comes next you need to be ok with. Given that S&W will (attempt at least) fix it for free, even if the gun is out of hand another 5 months, I think that's the course you'll find the most comfort in. Unless there's an urgent need for the money or the gun that we're not aware of, I think you'll find it's 5 months well spent. If it returns again incorrect, trade or sell it with full disclosure. Surely someone here has a custom 66 in mind and was planning to pay for a barrel setback to close the BC gap, fix end shake, upgrade the front sight, etc so having a barrel that needs to be clocked is not a big deal. Likely you can expect only a modest reduction in the sale price, probably less than the auction house fees. Good luck with what you decide.
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Post by sharps4590 on Apr 10, 2024 6:22:33 GMT -5
If it was on Gunjoker I wouldn't even see it, let alone buy it.
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Post by squawberryman on Apr 10, 2024 7:13:55 GMT -5
Just pondering age versus quality.
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Post by edk on Apr 10, 2024 8:37:27 GMT -5
Well, at least I know what's wrong with it, so that would be fair and honest negotiation. At first I just thought you were just mad and wouldn't really do that to someone else. Figured you were blowing off steam. Posting publicly so adamantly about doing someone else dirty by means of omitting a serious problem in the information shared kinda shows one's true colors. Now, if it had come from your estate to auction, no one could blame you for not telling, but this is different.
Most dirty dealers do so deceitfully. At least you're honest about meaning to do someone else wrong,... I guess.
Well I guess this was a waste of a post as usual. They always go sideways and way off topic. This board is starting to run its course the same as others. If your part of the click everyone can’t answer you fast enough or if your one of the worshiped ones everyone can’t suck them off fast enough. Not sure where you get I’m going to be intentionally deceitful? If I was selling it to a person face to face. I would absolutely tell the buyer about it. I’m probably the most honest seller you will ever meet. I’ve had many a gun corrected or fixed before I sold it so I don’t decieve the buyer. My feedback speaks for itself. I’ve bought from every major auction house in the country, many smaller ones as well know and even from England recently. Never seen a description from any of them that says anything more than description and condition of metal, finish etc. Have I been burned? Yes a few times. But that’s the chance I took So if you don’t have anything to add other than critique me stay the fuck off my post!!! Woody, I understand your frustration. Customer service is just terrible nowadays - almost to the point of being non-existent. Understand also you gave it your best try with S&W. How about approaching the auction house and letting them know you not only got a gun from them that was not right but the manufacturer is unable to repair? At that point if they re-sell it is on them.
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