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Post by foxtrapper on Mar 30, 2024 14:41:16 GMT -5
I know absolutely nothing about these as I live in new yorkastan. Brother out in Wyoming is looking
Any recommendations. Thanks
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 30, 2024 14:56:08 GMT -5
If non subsonic ammo is used, you will lower supersonic crack and help your ears. Extra weight and length afforded from suppressor will turn a nice handy rifle into a cumbersome heavy rifle you won’t want to walk anywhere with beyond 1/4 mile. If subsonic ammo is used then you’d be better suited with a 22LR and target ammo. Shortening barrel on 22-250 to make overall length handier and you’re better off with a 223.
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Post by cmillard on Mar 30, 2024 16:05:51 GMT -5
I have an otter creek labs OCM5 which is a licensed copy of Allen engineering AEM5. Absolutely phenomenal suppressor and can't recommend enough!!
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Post by needsmostuff on Mar 30, 2024 18:12:18 GMT -5
22-250 , maybe the worst suppressor host possible.
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 30, 2024 19:35:35 GMT -5
Todays suppressor aren't heavy and cumbersome. No matter what caliber you use the ammo has to be subsonic to be quiet, unless the ammo is normally subsonic such as most 45acp loads. A 22-250 will make a sonic crack for easch object it passes, for example poles, tree's, etc. I will make a fast round like a 22-250 more quiet, but it's crazy to pay the costs and the ATB $200 license fee just for that.
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Post by x101airborne on Mar 31, 2024 5:47:38 GMT -5
I use a suppressor on most anything I can thread one up on. I dont shoot subs except for my 300 Blackout AR or my Remington 308. All other calibers from 204 Ruger up to 300 Win Mag are full power loads.
For me it is about keeping the "Boom!" away from my ears and confusing my prey. I have had coyotes, hogs and deer run toward me instead of away because they could not tell where the shot came from. After about two or three shots they all run some direction but cant tell if they are running from me, to me, or just where they thought they should be going at that time. A suppressor is a game changer that is for sure.
Suppressing a 22-250 (assuming predator hunting) is not that terrible of an idea. Yes, you will still have bullet crack as the bullet goes by but you will have less signature of where the shot came from. Rolling hills, draws and treelines all bounce sound back differently and animals react differently to it. It could give a predator hunter that extra two seconds to double down on coyotes. At night (where legal) a suppressor is doubly effective.
I am running an old Knights Armament welded stainless steel suppressor. I have others I take to the range but this one has had a few baffle knicks (where the edge of the bullet just barely strikes the endcap on the way out. Many call this a "baffle strike, which is accurate but a nick rarely needs fixing, a full on STRIKE does), some finish wear, aka - WELL used. Been using it for near 20 years on all weapon types and animals and it kinda feels unfair to take anything else out in the woods. Funny I feel like that about this suppressor but I dont feel like that about other firearms.
The more your friend uses a suppressor the more he will enjoy it. Have him be sure to check initial alignment (not all threads are created equal) BEFORE shooting with it. This can be done with a cleaning rod that fits the bore tight. If using on an AR, cut that danged crush washer off! (See "baffle nick / strike above). Most suppressors are self cleaning. Dont get excited till several thousand rounds are through it. Spend the money on a good one. Buy once, cry once. Clean the threads with bronze brush often and put a pinhead of anti-seize on the threads. Sometimes the gunstore selling the suppressors will check initial alignment of the suppressor for you. ASK!
Others here know more but if I can help, hit me up.
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Post by jeffh on Mar 31, 2024 10:26:23 GMT -5
I'm with x101 on this.
As a kid, I found the blast and concussion from Artillery, mortars, machine guns, hand-grenades, 40mm grenades, claymores, etc. exhilarating.
As I got older, all t he racket got old too, especially from bottle-necked, center-fire rifles and magnum handguns. I've migrated to handgun loads which rarely exceed sub-sonic velocities, older, milder rifle cartridges and bought a can a couple years ago.
I had my 357 Mag Contender Carbine barrel threaded and wish I'd have sent off the rest of them too. Sub-sonic is fun and very handy for most work I do, but even with super-sonic loads, it really makes it a lot more tolerable to shoot.
A suppressor won't be "cat-sneeze-quiet" with super-sonic loads, but it's a LOT less noisy than without.
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Post by contender on Mar 31, 2024 10:30:24 GMT -5
My limited experience is that AWC suppressors are excellent. I've shot several types,, and those work much better than several brands. Just a few months ago,, we had a guy bring his .300 Win Mag over,, and he tried 3 different brands on the same gun, same ammo. By far the AWC was the quietest.
I also had the pleasure of touring the AWC plant several years ago. Their technology in their designs was proven to me there.
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 31, 2024 11:40:18 GMT -5
My limited experience is that AWC suppressors are excellent. I've shot several types,, and those work much better than several brands. Just a few months ago,, we had a guy bring his .300 Win Mag over,, and he tried 3 different brands on the same gun, same ammo. By far the AWC was the quietest. I also had the pleasure of touring the AWC plant several years ago. Their technology in their designs was proven to me there. AWC's are pretty decent suppressors! |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 31, 2024 11:56:29 GMT -5
Since your buddy is in Wy. have him look into ThunderBeast suppressors. Their Ultra line is a great line of suppressors, my comments earlier are all based on spending hours upon hours for days walking, handling, shooting, manipulating and dealing with suppressors in the field, and have been doing it for 20+ years. The cans themselves are not heavy, in fact the TB Ultra 5 is one of the lightest if not the lightest currently available. Despite what others say, the weight placed on the end of the barrel, cantilevered out farthest from the natural point of balance creates way more fatigue while carrying the gun in your hands. You are adding at least 5” of length to your gun, which turns your normally svelte and nimble 16” or 18” barreled rifle into a long, cumbersome, slow to bring to action rifle.
My use of them is with short handy little rifles, or the rifles were short and handy, big long and heavy long range bolt guns, these guns are used for abatement purposes and competition. The only real benefit is in saving on wearing ear protection, so that a low or normal conversation can be had, or instructions can be given when operating in a group.
As Trey hinted at, any contact made by a projectile needs to be immediately corrected by returning the can to the maker. When having a barrel threaded follow the instructions of the suppressor maker, and do not use any other accoutrements between the can and the barrel, crush washer, thread adapter, etc. unless expressly approved by the maker. You should be able to look down your barrel and see any off center or cock eyed attachment of the suppressor to the bore axis, if you do or think you do, send it to a smith to verify or the maker, DO NOT JUST SHOOT A ROUND THROUGH IT, to check. You could permanently damage your expensive toy, your gun, yourself, bystanders or all four.
I personally do not get the current trend of wanting to hunt with a can, I guess I’m old and don’t get the “cool” factor. For me they are tools of my trade, specialized tools that serve a specific purpose, not a generalized tool. If I’m shooting from a relatively fixed location and not walking around scouting an area, I’ll have a quiet gun. If I’m doing a lot of walking, I’m carrying a nice lightweight, short little levergun, or optic sighted revolver with one ear plugged and the other plug hanging from a string around my neck.
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Post by hounddogman on Mar 31, 2024 12:07:19 GMT -5
One decision to make for a suppressor is, direct thread or quick release. Both have pros and cons. I prefer quick release because I have more rifles that I want to shoot suppressed than I have suppressors.
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 31, 2024 12:08:00 GMT -5
Little side note. This come from a friend of mine. The ATF is thinking about dropping the license fee on the suppressor because for one there are so many of them being bought and the other reason they are re-thinking that they really aren't that illegal and not in the same category as full auto firearms. Would be nice if they did, but I can't believe the government would give up that $200 tax!
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Post by hounddogman on Mar 31, 2024 12:20:18 GMT -5
Little side note. This come from a friend of mine. The ATF is thinking about dropping the license fee on the suppressor because for one there are so many of them being bought and the other reason they are re-thinking that they really aren't that illegal and not in the same category as full auto firearms. Would be nice if they did, but I can't believe the government would give up that $200 tax! As cool as that would be, I just can't imagine the atf ever making a decision that helped We the people. |
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Post by jeffh on Mar 31, 2024 13:23:31 GMT -5
As cool as that would be, I just can't imagine the atf ever making a decision that helped We the people.
Just prior to all the craziness, which started just over four years ago, We were on the verge of having legislation introduced to put them on a 4473. That is still ridiculous, but better than paying Caesar's tribute, foregoing even more of your privacy and incurring the burden of carrying paper proof that you're not an assassin wherever you take your suppressor.
Oh, and the WAIT! I've read that recent e-applications have been approved in as little as three to four DAYS! Now, that's a nice change.
Given the apparent level of efficiency of certain entities, I'm not so sure collecting that $200 doesn't cost more than $200. I believe it's POSSIBLE that the BATFE could SAVE some money by taking suppressors off the list of nefarious inanimate objects.
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 31, 2024 14:59:19 GMT -5
As cool as that would be, I just can't imagine the atf ever making a decision that helped We the people.
Just prior to all the craziness, which started just over four years ago, We were on the verge of having legislation introduced to put them on a 4473. That is still ridiculous, but better than paying Caesar's tribute, foregoing even more of your privacy and incurring the burden of carrying paper proof that you're not an assassin wherever you take your suppressor.
Oh, and the WAIT! I've read that recent e-applications have been approved in as little as three to four DAYS! Now, that's a nice change.
Given the apparent level of efficiency of certain entities, I'm not so sure collecting that $200 doesn't cost more than $200. I believe it's POSSIBLE that the BATFE could SAVE some money by taking suppressors off the list of nefarious inanimate objects.
I forgot that part, yes they speeded up processing them.
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