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Post by kevshell on Mar 23, 2024 16:02:08 GMT -5
If it wasn't for available brass from starline I wouldn't be entertaining this.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 23, 2024 16:40:39 GMT -5
I don't have one yet however I plan to build on on an AR platform for coyotes and wolves (maybe). I like the idea of the round in an AR. It should be a fun project. I don't want it in a bolt gun only because I'd pick other rounds first. For wolves I’d prefer the heavier bullet from the Grendel, a 125gr. Partition or 120 CX. Having used both on feral hogs out to 200, I’d rather have the bullet weight available from a 6.5 than a 100gr. from a 6mm. Trapr |
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Post by kevshell on Mar 23, 2024 16:54:34 GMT -5
I don't have one yet however I plan to build on on an AR platform for coyotes and wolves (maybe). I like the idea of the round in an AR. It should be a fun project. I don't want it in a bolt gun only because I'd pick other rounds first. For wolves I’d prefer the heavier bullet from the Grendel, a 125gr. Partition or 120 CX. Having used both on feral hogs out to 200, I’d rather have the bullet weight available from a 6.5 than a 100gr. from a 6mm. Trapr I know it's not the best choice but it is probably somewhat of a toss up between the two in the AR platform. I have a 25-06 that needs a purpose and might be great to help reduce the wolf population. That said my understanding is most whitetail cartridges are just about perfect for wolf hunting. I'm definitely no expert on it but that's what I think I know at this moment. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 23, 2024 17:22:58 GMT -5
For wolves I’d prefer the heavier bullet from the Grendel, a 125gr. Partition or 120 CX. Having used both on feral hogs out to 200, I’d rather have the bullet weight available from a 6.5 than a 100gr. from a 6mm. Trapr I know it's not the best choice but it is probably somewhat of a toss up between the two in the AR platform. I have a 25-06 that needs a purpose and might be great to help reduce the wolf population. That said my understanding is most whitetail cartridges are just about perfect for wolf hunting. I'm definitely no expert on it but that's what I think I know at this moment. When I use to be on the 6.5 Grendel forum one of the members killed an elk at 450 yards with his Grendel. Another member not to be out done as he was a 6.8 SPC advocate killed an elk at 400 yards. Don't sell 6.5 cartridges short. The 6.5 bullets have tremendous penetration. |
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Post by aciera on Mar 23, 2024 17:59:49 GMT -5
I know it's not the best choice but it is probably somewhat of a toss up between the two in the AR platform. I have a 25-06 that needs a purpose and might be great to help reduce the wolf population. That said my understanding is most whitetail cartridges are just about perfect for wolf hunting. I'm definitely no expert on it but that's what I think I know at this moment. When I use to be on the 6.5 Grendel forum one of the members killed an elk at 450 yards with his Grendel. Another member not to be out done as he was a 6.8 SPC advocate killed an elk at 400 yards. Don't sell 6.5 cartridges short. The 6.5 bullets have tremendous penetration. That’s what Karamojo Bell started with. 6.5 160 gr in a Mannlicher Till he couldn’t get good cartridges……went to the 7x57. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 23, 2024 18:38:22 GMT -5
That’s what Karamojo Bell started with. 6.5 160 gr in a Mannlicher Till he couldn’t get good cartridges……went to the 7x57. More like they came out with bigger better cartridges geared toward hunting big African game. The 7x57 really isn't much of an improvement over a 6.5. Remember the 6.5 Swede has more power and boileroom then the 6.5 Mannlicher. Sectional density on the 6.5 bullets is higher then on the 7mm, for that matter more then many. |
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Post by aciera on Mar 23, 2024 23:11:04 GMT -5
That’s what Karamojo Bell started with. 6.5 160 gr in a Mannlicher Till he couldn’t get good cartridges……went to the 7x57. More like they came out with bigger better cartridges geared toward hunting big African game. The 7x57 really isn't much of an improvement over a 6.5. Remember the 6.5 Swede has more power and boileroom then the 6.5 Mannlicher. Sectional density on the 6.5 bullets is higher then on the 7mm, for that matter more then many. No…. With Bell he liked the Mannlicher as it was light. The 256(65.x53R) for meat hunting and the 6.5x54MS for hundreds of elephants. The 275 Rigby (7x57) is linked with him and his elephant ivory hunting. Which he went to because the German ammo was so much more reliable. Both of which were so much cheaper to shoot than the big bores. And ivory hunting was a business to him. Th bigger bores were up to 10 times the price per shot. Ruger had a run of M77 Internationals (Mannlicher or full stock on CZ) in a marked 275 Rigby. Yes. I’m a Bell fan. Lol |
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 23, 2024 23:57:50 GMT -5
With Bell it was all about shot placement.
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Post by aciera on Mar 24, 2024 0:01:17 GMT -5
With Bell it was all about shot placement. Absolutely He used to shoot birds out of the air with a rifle. Dry fired all the time. |
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Post by x101airborne on Mar 24, 2024 7:44:22 GMT -5
With Bell it was all about shot placement. Absolutely He used to shoot birds out of the air with a rifle. Dry fired all the time. Birds out of the air with a rifle??? DAAAAYYYYUUUMMM!!! Thats some shooting!!! |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 24, 2024 10:10:15 GMT -5
The use of the term “good bullets” for Bell, is a bit misleading if I recall correctly. It was a particular style of bullet that he preferred. When that source or availability went away or became difficult he switched to the more readily available 7x57 which had a similar constructed bullet and was easily secured for use. What we would call a good bullet may not necessarily be what he considered a good bullet. It was just good for his purposes, which I believe to be accurate, low recoiling and high in penetrative qualities. In his last known interview he stated if he were to have had the 308win. available to him he would have liked to have tried it on elephant or something to that effect. I believe he was also quite a pistol shot as well, taking birds in flight with them also.
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Post by singleaction on Mar 24, 2024 10:13:03 GMT -5
Why the 6mm arc and not the 6ppc? And just because is certainly a good reason. The 6mm ARC was designed to use a fast twist and heavy bullets to approximate the ballistics of the 6.5 Creedmoor in the AR-15 platform. As you know, the 6PPC shoots 70-ish grain bullets in 1:14” barrels for exceptional accuracy out to 200 yards. The 6ARC is basically a long range version of the ppc. |
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Post by aciera on Mar 24, 2024 10:49:10 GMT -5
Why the 6mm arc and not the 6ppc? And just because is certainly a good reason. The 6mm ARC was designed to use a fast twist and heavy bullets to approximate the ballistics of the 6.5 Creedmoor in the AR-15 platform. As you know, the 6PPC shoots 70-ish grain bullets in 1:14” barrels for exceptional accuracy out to 200 yards. The 6ARC is basically a long range version of the ppc. Ahhhhhh……..thanks…..so much stuff out there |
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Post by aciera on Mar 24, 2024 10:53:35 GMT -5
The use of the term “good bullets” for Bell, is a bit misleading if I recall correctly. It was a particular style of bullet that he preferred. When that source or availability went away or became difficult he switched to the more readily available 7x57 which had a similar constructed bullet and was easily secured for use. What we would call a good bullet may not necessarily be what he considered a good bullet. It was just good for his purposes, which I believe to be accurate, low recoiling and high in penetrative qualities. In his last known interview he stated if he were to have had the 308win. available to him he would have liked to have tried it on elephant or something to that effect. I believe he was also quite a pistol shot as well, taking birds in flight with them also. Trapr Yes……..he said something like”no soft point bullets ever sullied his barrels” What he wanted was just not available And some British military brass was splitting I believe…….. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 24, 2024 11:38:53 GMT -5
The use of the term “good bullets” for Bell, is a bit misleading if I recall correctly. It was a particular style of bullet that he preferred. When that source or availability went away or became difficult he switched to the more readily available 7x57 which had a similar constructed bullet and was easily secured for use. What we would call a good bullet may not necessarily be what he considered a good bullet. It was just good for his purposes, which I believe to be accurate, low recoiling and high in penetrative qualities. In his last known interview he stated if he were to have had the 308win. available to him he would have liked to have tried it on elephant or something to that effect. I believe he was also quite a pistol shot as well, taking birds in flight with them also. Trapr Yes……..he said something like”no soft point bullets ever sullied his barrels” What he wanted was just not available And some British military brass was splitting I believe…….. Wasn't he known to pull bullets and load them backwards ? |
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