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Post by pleadthe2nd on Feb 26, 2024 19:26:51 GMT -5
Big BORE seems pretty clear - it references BORE, or the size of the hole, not the relative size of the gun or how much powder, pressure, KE, bullet weight, velocity or recoil is involved. "BIG," on the other hand IS subjective, but it's still in reference to the BORE, so who decides what's small, medium or "BIG?" Exactly my point Jeff, who decides? My position is none of us are able to be definitive as to small, medium and big bores? So far big bore has been described as 40+, 41+, 44+ and 45+. Everybody is, right and nobody is wrong. It's subjective from any logical person's view I'd expect. Agreed 100%, it is subjective, my thinking is anything 2 is small bore, anything 3 is medium bore, anything 4 is big bore, anything 5, is a class of its own, maybe over-bored, like a carburetor
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Post by blackmamba on Feb 26, 2024 19:28:37 GMT -5
Ditto to AxeHandle. 41 magnum is definitely a big bore.
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 26, 2024 19:53:02 GMT -5
Small bore to .356, medium from .357 to .413. Standard from .427 to .458. Big there up.
Let's admit that the 44's and 45's are what we set the standards by and compare all other handgun rounds to.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 26, 2024 19:59:44 GMT -5
The 45 Colt has always been, and remains, the revolver cartridge to which all others are compared.
I'm sure an Internet Troll could disagree with that. But, any revolver guy will admit that's true.
AKA, Bigbore 5, I agree with you...
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Post by jeffh on Feb 26, 2024 20:13:21 GMT -5
Exactly my point Jeff, who decides? ...
I did a quick check on SAAMIs site and came up empty there too.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 26, 2024 20:19:49 GMT -5
Exactly my point Jeff, who decides? ...
I did a quick check on SAAMIs site and came up empty there too. Simple questions don't always have simple answers do they?
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 26, 2024 20:43:44 GMT -5
Another way to look at it was the power of a cartridge, or handgun when it didn't use a cartridge. Take the Walker Dragoon, it ruled the roost until the advent of the 357 Magnum. That ruled until the 44 Magnum came out. It took a good while to unseat the 44 Magnum. Then all hell broke loose and we got all kind of magnums now and you all know which they are. I always thought of the 44 mag as the big bore magnum. My first revolver cartridge gun, besides a 22 rimfire, was the 45 Colt in my Ruger Blackhawk three screw which I still have today. I had the 44 magnum, but just didn't catch on with me.
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Post by drycreek on Feb 26, 2024 20:49:13 GMT -5
Well, when Winchester introduced the Big "Bore" 94, it was chambered in 375 Winchester. We'd not likely identify a 375 Caliber Revolver as a big bore. I always assumed Winchester was referencing the 375's status relative to the 30-30? But, that was a guess. I always called anything 32 and under as small bore. 357 thru 45 as mid bore and anything larger as big bore. None of us are right or wrong. We just define a relative size differently... I thought about that very thing Encore since I own a Big Bore 94 and used to own a Contender in the same caliber. In the rifle the .375 Win is a pussycat, in the Contender a little more. I also had an Encore pistol in .260 Remington that had a pretty good kick, but one would hardly call that a big bore. I think you’re right, and nobody is wrong.
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Post by edk on Feb 26, 2024 21:05:28 GMT -5
So far big bore has been described as 40+, 41+, 44+ and 45+. Everybody is right and nobody is wrong. It's subjective from any logical person's view I'd expect. Doesn't John Taffin include the 357 magnum in "Big Bore Sixguns"?
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 26, 2024 21:07:14 GMT -5
It's always interesting to hear how other forum members think. We don't always agree, but it's important to hear each other out.
Exploring the BFR 357 Magnum has made me look at several things differently.
My first centerfire revolver was a Ruger Security Six in 357 Magnum. That was in 1979 at the age of 15.
Looking at the BFR and watching those numbers appear on the chronograph made me realize there's more to most cartridges than nomenclature.
Application is paramount...
While we gladly accept 45 Colt loaded to different power levels, hysteria rules when you mention doing the same to the 38-40 and 44-40.
Put them in a strong revolver and they'll amaze the most seasoned revolver shooter.
Then people quote something Elmer Keith said decades ago. He chose the 44 Special because the cylinder on guns available at the time could hold +P Pressures. Put the 44-40 in a Blackhawk and it'll eat the 44 Special for lunch.
But, people choose not to think for themselves. Makes life easy for politicians, but hard for the critical thinkers...
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 26, 2024 22:52:17 GMT -5
It's always interesting to hear how other forum members think. We don't always agree, but it's important to hear each other out. Exploring the BFR 357 Magnum has made me look at several things differently. My first centerfire revolver was a Ruger Security Six in 357 Magnum. That was in 1979 at the age of 15. Looking at the BFR and watching those numbers appear on the chronograph made me realize there's more to most cartridges than nomenclature. Application is paramount... While we gladly accept 45 Colt loaded to different power levels, hysteria rules when you mention doing the same to the 38-40 and 44-40. Put them in a strong revolver and they'll amaze the most seasoned revolver shooter. Then people quote something Elmer Keith said decades ago. He chose the 44 Special because the cylinder on guns available at the time could hold +P Pressures. Put the 44-40 in a Blackhawk and it'll eat the 44 Special for lunch. But, people choose not to think for themselves. Makes life easy for politicians, but hard for the critical thinkers... Hell it'll give the 44 mag a run for it's money.
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Post by blackmamba on Feb 27, 2024 9:50:15 GMT -5
Whenever creating categories there has to be a limit somewhere. But between a 41 mag @ .410 and a 44 mag @ .429 there is virtually no difference, whether looking at paper energies or their effects on game. That's why for me the bigs start at 41 magnum.
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Post by rWt on Feb 27, 2024 10:06:30 GMT -5
In past years, big bore rifles for hunting in Africa were considered to be 40 caliber and up. The venerable .404 Jeffery and .416 Rigby's were considered to be big bores.
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Post by bula on Feb 27, 2024 10:28:28 GMT -5
For me, Big BORE, is about the bore. A scandium ultra-lite Smith 357 has a horrible recoil impulse. Hole in the end of the barrel, doesn't say big bore to me. 44 is where it starts for me, I'll give a pass to the 41mag crowd. My Bulldog 44spec, is a big bore, the LCR sitting next to it, nope. To those that want to start big bore status at 45..remember, the ball-n-cap 44 revolvers, actually use 45 ? balls, bullets. Sunday eve, broke a rib or 2, am not going to basement to look for actual diameters.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 27, 2024 10:30:42 GMT -5
For me, Big BORE, is about the bore. A scandium ultra-lite Smith 357 has a horrible recoil impulse. Hole in the end of the barrel, doesn't say big bore to me. 44 is where it starts for me, I'll give a pass to the 41mag crowd. My Bulldog 44spec, is a big bore, the LCR sitting next to it, nope. To those that want to start big bore status at 45..remember, the ball-n-cap 44 revolvers, actually use 45 ? balls, bullets. Sunday eve, broke a rib or 2, am not going to basement to look for actual diameters. Well, I certainly hope you recover quickly. I've been there and all I can say is avoid anything that bothers your allergies. SNEEZING SUCKS...
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