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Post by bushog on Feb 23, 2024 12:41:24 GMT -5
What a timely discussion....as usual the answer is both and in this case it's a .38-40 with a .40S&W cylinder for convenience if I want to go to Wally World and buy some ammo. Just put a Clements hammer, a Bowen sight and some Fishpaw stags on this one built by Andy Horvath....  I have .44 specials so no .44-40s here.... |
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 23, 2024 12:48:24 GMT -5
Well, as usual the answer is both and in this case it's a .38-40 with a .40S&W cylinder for convenience if I want to go to Wally World and buy some ammo. Just put a Clements hammer, a Bowen sight and some Fishpaw stags on this one built by Andy Horvath.... I'm sitting on about 500-600 40SW once fired cases both brass and nickol. If you lived near me I'd give them to you. |
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Post by Odin on Feb 23, 2024 12:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by sharps4590 on Feb 23, 2024 15:45:42 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned that both the cartridges spoken of here are bottlenecked the stories about them backing hard against the recoil shield and making the cylinder difficult to rotate. I don't own either so no experience with that. Let's hear from you all that do own them. Any truth to that? The 44-40 is barely bottlenecked, and I mean barely. Skeeter called it and the 32-20 "slope shouldered" and, I believe that's a more accurate description. The 38-40 is definitely more so. With the 44-40, nope. Not in a Colt SAA clone or my current S&W Schofield clone with stiff black powder loads and I don't load them hot with smokeless. Duplication of the original ballistics has proven adequate for 150years. I don't have any experience with the 38-40 in a revolver but I've never spoken with an owner who mentioned set back being a difficulty. |
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2024 19:20:29 GMT -5
I've got extensive experience with both. Clements built me several of each. Including a 5-Shot chambered for each.
Even loading to Magnum Velocities, no setback with either.
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Post by bushog on Feb 23, 2024 19:50:28 GMT -5
I've got extensive experience with both. Clements built me several of each. Including a 5-Shot chambered for each. Even loading to Magnum Velocities, no setback with either. That’s right….I forgot he built you those 5 shots on the flat tops….. I had a 6 shot bisley, like what JL used to build that Alan Harton built. Got it from Zeus. Sold it to a guy who has a pile of guns that passed through my hands. Some of which I’ve tried to retrieve…nope… |
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2024 19:54:07 GMT -5
My 44-40 is on a Midframe. The 38-40 is a full sized Blackhawk...
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 23, 2024 20:07:00 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, those old original guns were different. Different metal for sure and maybe not as precision work and tolerances. It was talked about back in those days of set back. You fellow that have these custom guns are talking about precision work. Totally different then say the Colts made back in the late 1800's.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2024 20:13:42 GMT -5
Yep..."Talk" is one thing the world has never had a shortage of...
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 23, 2024 20:16:37 GMT -5
Yep..."Talk" is one thing the world has never had a shortage of... It's not just talk encore, that happened back in the old days. Throw in dirty BP not helping things. If you want to come up to more modern days they had problems with the 22 Jet in S&W revolvers unless you knew exactly what to do to prevent it. |
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Post by bushog on Feb 23, 2024 20:18:22 GMT -5
Yep..."Talk" is one thing the world has never had a shortage of... It's not just talk encore, that happened back in the old days. Throw in dirty BP not helping things. If you want to come up to more modern days they had problems with the 22 Jet in S&W revolvers unless you knew exactly what to do to prevent it. Doesn’t concern me…..  |
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2024 20:27:38 GMT -5
I've spent way too much time and money debunking "Myths" aka "Talk."
Of course, I wasn't here until 1964. So, all I know is what I read.
I collect vintage gun books with 400+ in my library.
Newsflash!!! Gunwriters pile on B.S. today and I seriously suspect they did in the past.
Greg, load that incredible Midframe to 25k PSI and it'll downright impress you...
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 23, 2024 20:30:07 GMT -5
I've spent way too much time and money debunking "Myths" aka "Talk." Of course, I wasn't here until 1964. So, all I know is what I read. I collect vintage gun books with 400+ in my library. Newsflash!!! Gunwriters pile on B.S. today and I seriously suspect they did in the past. Greg, load that incredible Midframe to 25k PSI and it'll downright impress you... Of course it doesn't concern you in the firearms you are using. |
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2024 21:33:59 GMT -5
Look at the history of other cartridges. The 32-20...eventually necked down to give us the 25-20. My personal favorite rifle round.
Later necked down to give us the 218 Bee.
Many moons later, the 308 Winchester. Later necked up and down to give us the 243 Win, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 338 Fed and 358 Win.
Simply alteration to gain market share is neither new or outdated.
Books can be written about the 30-06 Case. Itself derived from the 8x57 and 7x57 Mauser.
The 7x57 was renamed by the Brits and became the 275 Rigby.
And so it goes...
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Post by revolvercranker on Feb 23, 2024 22:36:28 GMT -5
Look at the history of other cartridges. The 32-20...eventually necked down to give us the 25-20. My personal favorite rifle round. Later necked down to give us the 218 Bee. Many moons later, the 308 Winchester. Later necked up and down to give us the 243 Win, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 338 Fed and 358 Win. Simply alteration to gain market share is neither new or outdated. Books can be written about the 30-06 Case. Itself derived from the 8x57 and 7x57 Mauser. The 7x57 was renamed by the Brits and became the 275 Rigby. And so it goes... Encore you have a different way to look at things. Many of those neck up and neck down cartridge really fit niche or purpose. The 243 is a great round, great enough that Remington came out with there 6mm. The neck up of the 06 to the 35 Whelen is another great cartridge. It gave hunters who wanted a big magnum to hunt the larger game, but couldn't afford, a means to make one from an 06. I don't see many of them as "gain market share". It's the way things happen. Even Europe done it. |
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