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Post by steveb on May 29, 2010 11:47:16 GMT -5
Do you use them ? What for ? I have the CCI ones for .22mag, .38/.357 and ones for the .44spec/.44mag. I've often set one in the cylinder to be my first shot when wandering at camp, but have yet to need one on those days. The two rattlers I've shot(and ate) happened to be on days when I still had my P-9 Kahr on. BOOM , BOOM, dead snake. Burp. One came up thru a knot hole in the rough board floor to our open porch at camp, we shoot from there in bad weather. I was mowing grass that day and in came up outta the hole and had me'n my Lab pinned, so it had to die. Burp. Have never shot anything but paper with them, just to see if they work. Your experiences ? Not worth the trouble ? steve b
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Post by rigby on May 29, 2010 14:13:13 GMT -5
I have used them mostly for fun. Not much need for snakes as the only poison's ones we have around here are copperheads and have never seen one. Used to make my own years ago with two gas checks and a low dose of unique, forget how much. I do remember that slower was better for patterns.
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Post by sugarriver on May 30, 2010 9:32:09 GMT -5
Here's the son with a 40"+ mocassin he hit with CCI shot shell out of a Kimber 45. The neck was virtually destroyed with just a few sinews holding the head to the body. This was in the back yard within 50 yds of the pool. I've killed two more since, one with home made 32Mag shot shells, the other with my walking stick. Pete  |
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Post by caryc on May 30, 2010 11:36:51 GMT -5
I don't know about shooting snakes with them because I don't shoot any snakes, there's just no need. Besides snakes are usually shot at 4 or 5 feet.
But I do have pesky ground squirrels around here, the kind that like to chew ignition wires. While shooting out of my glass door with a handgun, I've tried 22 and 38 cal shot shells.
Believe it or not I've gotten more of them with the single six. I guess they just don't spread like the larger calibers. This is shooting at maybe 12 or 15 feet.
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Post by jefats on May 30, 2010 15:57:23 GMT -5
Sugarriver,
How do you go about making them for the 32 mag?
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Post by sugarriver on May 30, 2010 16:50:31 GMT -5
I use 2 opposing 30 cal gas checks with about 70 gr of chilled No 12 in between. Put that on top of 3 gr Universal. I've toyed with using card wads, but those copper GCs do as much damage as the shot. May not sound like a very effective load, but the local Mocassins have filed a complaint with the Geneva Convention.
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Post by jefats on May 30, 2010 21:47:20 GMT -5
Thanks Sugarriver,
Looks like I'll have to get some 30 caliber gaschecks.
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Post by ohnomrbillk on May 31, 2010 12:37:28 GMT -5
Do you use them ? What for ? ..... Your experiences ? Not worth the trouble ? steve b There has been a great deal of social problems in my neighborhood as of late (gang war with lots of new member initiation). Lot of people have been getting carjacked. I carry one of my 4" Redhawks in 45 colt in my vehicle. First one out of the hole is a CCI shotshell. The next five are Winchester silver tips. None of them recoil like a big 45 colt load, which I feel it good if someone thinks my truck is worth taking my life. I figure someone coming through my passenger window (which is what most of victims have experienced) will be less motivated to continue with their plans with a face full of shot. Gives me a little slack on precision shooting for the first round when the adrenaline rush hits and you are trying to deal with your vehicle and your attacker at the same time. I figure if I need to explore a second round, the silver tips will be appropriate. Other than snakes and squirrels, this is what I have them for. I pray I never have to find out how effective they are. |
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Post by caryc on Jun 1, 2010 19:43:05 GMT -5
Do you use them ? What for ? ..... Your experiences ? Not worth the trouble ? steve b There has been a great deal of social problems in my neighborhood as of late (gang war with lots of new member initiation). Lot of people have been getting carjacked. I carry one of my 4" Redhawks in 45 colt in my vehicle. First one out of the hole is a CCI shotshell. The next five are Winchester silver tips. None of them recoil like a big 45 colt load, which I feel it good if someone thinks my truck is worth taking my life. I figure someone coming through my passenger window (which is what most of victims have experienced) will be less motivated to continue with their plans with a face full of shot. Gives me a little slack on precision shooting for the first round when the adrenaline rush hits and you are trying to deal with your vehicle and your attacker at the same time. I figure if I need to explore a second round, the silver tips will be appropriate. Other than snakes and squirrels, this is what I have them for. I pray I never have to find out how effective they are. Seems like using that shot shell first and if it's effective enough so you don't need another shot that it would also put you in a better light with the law. In other words just trying to stop him as the courts and lawyers would have you do. |
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Post by steveb on Jun 2, 2010 7:55:26 GMT -5
Maiming/blinding your attacker for life just means you'll be in civil court right after your in criminal court. For you guys that carry a revolver for CCW/CHL, or in the car, remember when firing across the front of your body, CYLINDER BLAST ! Also the closer to them you hold it, the better shot they have at grabbing it. If you can drive, drive. If ya have to shoot, don't play games, shoot to nullify the threat. steve b
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Post by sugarriver on Jun 2, 2010 8:56:52 GMT -5
Maiming/blinding your attacker for life just means you'll be in civil court right after your in criminal court. For you guys that carry a revolver for CCW/CHL, or in the car, remember when firing across the front of your body, CYLINDER BLAST ! Also the closer to them you hold it, the better shot they have at grabbing it. If you can drive, drive. If ya have to shoot, don't play games, shoot to nullify the threat. steve b +1 Big time. I can just hear a prosecutor asking the shooter, "So Mr Smith, you shot the victim with a less then lethal round. Obviously you weren't really in fear for your life, were you?" Etc, etc....... You get the idea. If you're going to use deadly force, do so. Pete |
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Post by steveb on Jun 2, 2010 9:16:15 GMT -5
Am still thinking on the shotshells for snakes thing. So, you hear a rattler, BUZZZZ ! Not a nice sound is it ? First thought, where is he ? Need a direction. Then face the threat and draw. Am thinking that one BIG step back/away at this time takes no more time than getting off a shot and removes you from strike range. If you decide that the snake just lives in a bad spot, say the porch as I mentioned above, or the outhouse or next to a path others walk, etc., you could at that time shoot it with ANY loading. I never was promoting the idea of shootin' every snake ya see. How big a critter do ya think them shotshells could kill ? Someone mentioned ground squirrels. In the .22mag size, use them to kills wasps on the outhouse if no spray around, or inside the outhouse where the toxic fumes would do for me too ! steve b
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Post by caryc on Jun 2, 2010 11:28:55 GMT -5
Maiming/blinding your attacker for life just means you'll be in civil court right after your in criminal court. For you guys that carry a revolver for CCW/CHL, or in the car, remember when firing across the front of your body, CYLINDER BLAST ! Also the closer to them you hold it, the better shot they have at grabbing it. If you can drive, drive. If ya have to shoot, don't play games, shoot to nullify the threat. steve b +1 Big time. I can just hear a prosecutor asking the shooter, "So Mr Smith, you shot the victim with a less then lethal round. Obviously you weren't really in fear for your life, were you?" Etc, etc....... You get the idea. If you're going to use deadly force, do so. Pete Well, there are two schools of thought here. I would simply answer that I was in fear for my life that's why I used the shot shell to stop him. Unlike the criminals and car jackers it's not in my nature to kill another human being and I wasn't ready to surrender my life at that point in time. A defense attorney would simply argue that his defendant has a respect for human life and would destroy it only as a last resort, hence the shot shell as the first round. Let's face it, in this day and age if you use your weapon in self defense you're going to wind up in court anyway. If your attacker was armed, an attorney is going to have one heck of a time trying to prove you were not in fear for your life. It's up to you if you want to go for the kill shot with hollow points or trust that shot shell to just stop the attacker allowing for your escape. |
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Post by steveb on Jun 2, 2010 14:36:57 GMT -5
A previous reply seems to have disappeared. Thought it was Ok.. Your opinions on the usefullness of shotshells appreciated. Am considering phasing them out here, except for pests in the outhouse ! Further opinions from those that have actually used them, appreciated. They are, from CCI, expensive, and of limited use. steve b
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Post by ohnomrbillk on Jun 3, 2010 13:07:20 GMT -5
Looks like I started a debate. Wasn't my intention. I definitely see both sides. My intention would be to drive if I can. If I can't, I'd eliminate the threat. My intention would not be to blind, but that would certainly be possible/likely with the shot. I may have to rethink my use.
Thanks for the input.
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