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Post by Encore64 on Dec 24, 2023 14:07:24 GMT -5
I got to fondle my first Glock 25 yesterday. I suppose Glock Collectors will be happy with this one, but I don't see much to get excited about.
Short version it's a Glock 19, but chambered for 380 Auto...
Previously unavailable in the USA due to our ridiculous import laws. Now, the laws didn't change, but rather the guns available to us are built in Smyrna, GA. This way import laws are avoided.
I can't imagine anything this gun can do that the G19 can't do better. Nonetheless, collectors and those liking oddities might be enthused...
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Post by leadhound on Dec 24, 2023 15:53:39 GMT -5
I understand it's original purpose but not sure where it fits in the US market. Like you said Oddity or Collecting. Recoil and Slide manipulation will probably just as much as 9mm.
Wouldn't mind a full size single stack 45 or 10mm. Also a long barrel target pistol that can be built from 45 acp to 22 LR.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Dec 24, 2023 16:03:11 GMT -5
Sounds like an answer searching for a reason, but I don't mind.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 24, 2023 16:06:01 GMT -5
It's original purpose was for countries where it's illegal to own weapons chambered for military cartridges. There it probably makes sense.
But, there's a few Glock Lovers that'll have to have one. That I understand...
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Post by leadhound on Dec 24, 2023 16:33:02 GMT -5
It's original purpose was for countries where it's illegal to own weapons chambered for military cartridges. There it probably makes sense. But, there's a few Glock Lovers that'll have to have one. That I understand... Mostly for South American civilian market as I understand, which is strange, because the 38 super was utilized south of our border for this purpose . That would've been somethin, a G17/19 in 38 super. |
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 24, 2023 17:42:13 GMT -5
Glock 26 with a 380 Magazine... 1/2 the power of a 9 with all the size...
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 24, 2023 17:47:48 GMT -5
It's the same size as a G19 and G23. That makes even less sense to me.
I only bought a G19 because I got one of the Smyrna Mariner Editions. Since I retired from 39 years as a Mariner...
But, the 380 is less powerful, more expensive and lacks decent bullet availability...
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Dec 25, 2023 5:56:17 GMT -5
Aside from its use where a 9mm is prohibited, I'm guessing its creation was inspired by the S&W Shield EZ: softer shooting, easier cocking, a big deal for some.
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 25, 2023 7:43:29 GMT -5
No doubt.. The S&W EZ has inspired 380 production. The SIG 365-380 and Ruger Security 380 for two. Our most recent is the GIRSAN, a Beretta 86 copy. That pop up barrel solved the slide racking issue.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 25, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -5
I got to fondle my first Glock 25 yesterday. I suppose Glock Collectors will be happy with this one, but I don't see much to get excited about. Short version it's a Glock 19, but chambered for 380 Auto... Previously unavailable in the USA due to our ridiculous import laws. Now, the laws didn't change, but rather the guns available to us are built in Smyrna, GA. This way import laws are avoided. I can't imagine anything this gun can do that the G19 can't do better. Nonetheless, collectors and those liking oddities might be enthused... ***** Where the 9mm Luger is very much projectile-dependent for performance, the .380 utterly so. Suitability for a straight-blowback action in a small pistol may be its only saving grace.I found it below .22 Long Rifle par for barnyard chores, as with the .22 you know it’s a high central nervous system load only. My experiments included clothing, auto bodies and put-downs, and carcasses, wherein the .380 ACP never scored above ANEMIC. In Europe, dueling may never have got past the sword. However, European tides of “ethnic cleansing” fomented waves of execution, putting sub-caliber handguns on lurid display. As actual sword fighting fell into obsolescence, the sword hung on as a badge of authority. Sam Colt’s repeating revolver did more to retire the sword than any other instrument. The pistol was a one-shot deal prior to the five and six-shooters of Sam Colt, after which it became a knob carry. A single shot pistol kept the sword beyond arm’s length for one shot. A tiny cartridge knows it has no tactical flexibility. Its effective target is as small as the pistol it belongs in. Both Mauser in Germany and Tokarev (or whomever designed it) in Russia discovered a tiny FMJ at high velocity penetrates clothing and meat much better than a slightly larger bullet moving slow, but it requires a bigger pistol to contain the pressure. The number of humans who have been slain with a sub-caliber centerfire exceeds the individuals who've saved their life by a factor of thousands. Nevertheless, the stinking little rounds----.25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP----provide a degree of comfort to those who pack them. In contrast to America, where gun fighting is a real part of our history, Europe’s history bears a horrendous record of its use in execution. Except for the all-time great instructional cartridge----the inimitable .22 Long Rifle----to put a sub-caliber in a service-size pistol reeks if impracticality. If there is an exception to everything, the exception to the anemia of a .380 Auto would be the 9x18mm Makarov, which delivers respectable penetration from a small, straight-blowback pistol. David Bradshaw |
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 25, 2023 8:55:56 GMT -5
Makarov? And Lone Wolf makes a Makarov conversion barrel for the G42! FWIW I feel like the S&W EZ is a blessing to people who think that they cannot handle a gun. The EZ isn't the best. It is a gateway drug! It teaches people who think that they can't run a gun that in fact they can! At that point they can go 9mm for power or Ruger LCP for carry and concealment.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 25, 2023 9:00:21 GMT -5
I've got two 380s. A Ruger LCP II and a RIA Baby 1911.
I heard it described as better than throwing rocks. Maybe, maybe not.
About the smallest defense gun I'll carry is the 40 S&W. Despite attempts by compensated gun writers to kill it off, I think highly of it.
While not top of my list, it certainly ranks higher than a number of other options...
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Post by 45MAN on Dec 25, 2023 11:16:21 GMT -5
I've got two 380s. A Ruger LCP II and a RIA Baby 1911. I heard it described as better than throwing rocks. Maybe, maybe not. HAD A SIG 230 IN 380 LOADED WITH GOOD DEFENSE AMMO, TESTED IT ON A STRAY/MANGY/POSSIBLY RABID 25lb-30lb DOG, CLOSE RANGE, DEAD CENTER SHOULDER HIT, IT REARED UP AND RAN OFF, FINALLY FINISHED IT OFF THEN DROVE STRAIGHT TO MY LGS AND TRADED IT IN FOR A COMPACT GLOCK 9MM. MAYBE BETTER THAN THROWING ROCKS BUT THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I FIRED A 380 - 45MAN |
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Post by leadhound on Dec 25, 2023 11:39:28 GMT -5
Aside from its use where a 9mm is prohibited, I'm guessing its creation was inspired by the S&W Shield EZ: softer shooting, easier cocking, a big deal for some. Not sure when the EZ came about, but the G25 is from '95. It's blowback operated so thinking recoil and slide manipulation will be comparable to 9mm. |
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 25, 2023 11:53:51 GMT -5
Right...it's not a new gun at all. It's just never been imported into the U.S.
Now that Glocks are being built in the U.S. there's a way around import laws.
I think the 380 Problem is the same some found with the Nitro Express Cartridges. The cartridge doesn't have the power to penetrate the diameter of the bullet.
I know in times past this was a problem with various cartridges.
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