edk
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Post by edk on Nov 28, 2023 8:52:25 GMT -5
There is published data for 1000+fps 230gr loads using Ramshot enforcer for the 45ACP (standard pressure). I tried these and had terrible luck. Think that's why Ramshot no longer recommends it. Now, Power Pistol will give spectacular performance in the 45 ACP/AR... From: 45 ACP Load Data: Fast Loads www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/fast-loads-for-the-45-acp/99214The author writes: "I asked Western Powders if there was a reason why the Enforcer data was not in the current manual, such as whether it was no longer considered appropriate or safe. A company spokesman replied that the data was still valid, and the reason it was not included was because they felt it was not a very efficient powder for the .45. They thought faster-burning powders would give better results." |
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 28, 2023 9:10:36 GMT -5
I tried these and had terrible luck. Think that's why Ramshot no longer recommends it. Now, Power Pistol will give spectacular performance in the 45 ACP/AR... From: 45 ACP Load Data: Fast Loads www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/fast-loads-for-the-45-acp/99214The author writes: "I asked Western Powders if there was a reason why the Enforcer data was not in the current manual, such as whether it was no longer considered appropriate or safe. A company spokesman replied that the data was still valid, and the reason it was not included was because they felt it was not a very efficient powder for the .45. They thought faster-burning powders would give better results." No doubt the data is valid, aka Safe. I have the same information as you have provided here. Just sharing my personal experience doing extensive research on Revolvers chambered in 45 Auto Rim. Of course, the Auto Rim is nothing more or less than the ACP with a rim added. Enforcer gave the worst results of any powder I tested as far as accuracy, consistency and efficiency. Others may well experience something else. I can only share what I've experienced. |
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Post by contender on Nov 28, 2023 10:24:58 GMT -5
"The Rugers are all the older, heavier ones."
The OP has asked about his guns,, and none are the mid-framed ones from Ruger.
In the Rugers,, you are fine. My experiences with the S&W's,, I prefer to defer to others with more experience than I have.
In a Ruger,, reaching the 1000-1100 fps range is very doable,, and as recommended above,, using some powders are much better suited than other powders. I prefer to use 2400, 4227, and HS-6 in my .45's for that kind of performance.
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Post by sixguntech on Nov 28, 2023 13:28:51 GMT -5
"The Rugers are all the older, heavier ones." The OP has asked about his guns,, and none are the mid-framed ones from Ruger. In the Rugers,, you are fine. My experiences with the S&W's,, I prefer to defer to others with more experience than I have. In a Ruger,, reaching the 1000-1100 fps range is very doable,, and as recommended above,, using some powders are much better suited than other powders. I prefer to use 2400, 4227, and HS-6 in my .45's for that kind of performance. You are the second person in this thread to state that “the OP has asked about his guns,, and none are the mid-framed ones from Ruger.” but that is NOT what he asked about. His very first question is specifically about the S&W Model 25 and the new Rugers. I deduced, since he has “older, larger Rugers, he was asking about the mid frame guns (new Vaquero’s etc.). Steve |
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TXTad
.240 Incinerator
All into my .36" revolvers lately...
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Post by TXTad on Nov 28, 2023 23:34:23 GMT -5
"The Rugers are all the older, heavier ones." The OP has asked about his guns,, and none are the mid-framed ones from Ruger. In the Rugers,, you are fine. My experiences with the S&W's,, I prefer to defer to others with more experience than I have. In a Ruger,, reaching the 1000-1100 fps range is very doable,, and as recommended above,, using some powders are much better suited than other powders. I prefer to use 2400, 4227, and HS-6 in my .45's for that kind of performance. You are the second person in this thread to state that “the OP has asked about his guns,, and none are the mid-framed ones from Ruger.” but that is NOT what he asked about. His very first question is specifically about the S&W Model 25 and the new Rugers. I deduced, since he has “older, larger Rugers, he was asking about the mid frame guns (new Vaquero’s etc.). Steve , you are correct. I have the 25-5 that I want *brisk*, but not heavy loads for. I currently have older Rugers that I know that I do not have to worry about, but I would like a nice flat top Blackhawk in 4.5 or 5.5" to match the two I already have in .44 Special and .357/9mm. |
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 1, 2023 19:38:58 GMT -5
Keep in mind that S&W 25s have been rechambered to 460 Rowland for a long time. While I don't think it's a great idea, I've never heard of a failure...
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Post by messybear on Dec 2, 2023 0:28:19 GMT -5
As mentioned in this thread, I lean towards being more concerned about recoil battering a Smith than pressure if we are talking reasonable limits. The new stainless ones seem very durable though.
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Post by kaytod on Dec 2, 2023 15:26:07 GMT -5
Friends all. The question of the strength of the S&W 25, as mentioned above, can be answered pretty well by John Linebaugh's article. However the question of the limits on the Ruger New Vaquero or Mid-frame flat top guns, might be addressed this way.
The Ruger Mid Frames are available in 45 ACP convertables. Therefore I find no reason to question 45 Colt loads at 21000 psi ( equal to the ACP ) in the this platform as the cylinders are the same, the diameter between the two cartridges are nominal. Most folks would never thing tiwce about shooting 45 ACP in said platforms. However, one states, like I just did, that I load the Colt to the same pressure, many folks marbles start rolling outta their pockets.
So back to the N frame Smith. It has been offered forever in 45 ACP, So I find it no different. It can eaisly be loaded to 21000 psi in the Colt platform and as John mentions, can exceed that by a good margin.
If your really look up what the Colt is capable of at 21000 psi, it handles most of what I really want to do. If I need more, there are other guns and calibers availiable.
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Post by Cholla on Dec 11, 2023 21:31:29 GMT -5
I have a 25-5 that has never made it to the range with me despite my having had it for 20 years. I'm expecting to rectify that soon, and hope to work up some 454424 and 270SAA loads for it and my other .45 Colt revolvers: a 625-7 Mountain Gun, two Vaqueros, and a Blackhawk Bisley. The Rugers are all the older, heavier ones. In addition to some easy loads, I want to load some +P loads, targeting 1,000 to 1,100 fps with these bullets. I want loads that I can use in any of these guns and do not plan to load any Ruger specific loads.* I've read Pearce's articles and I've seen others suggesting that the 23,000 psi loads are fine for the S&Ws as the same guns are chambered in .45 ACP. Well, 23 kpsi is +P for ACP, so why has that level been chosen as the top for these guns? I think that 21 kpsi would be more reasonable. Some questions for discussion: Are the S&W 25s and newer Rugers really OK with these loads at all? What about a steady diet of loads at these levels? Can 1,000 fps be reached at 20 to 21 kpsi? * I may load some heavier loads for the Bisley later, but I'm going to mark the heck out of them and keep them away from the other loads.
My favorite hunting load in my 45 Colt is a cast SWC from an RCBS 45-270-SAA mold. Mine drop at 288 grs. and 9.5 gr. of Power Pistol, which according to Brian Pearce's data, should be well under 21,000 psi, runs them just under 1000 fps from my Uberti Frisco. But best of all, it's a very accurate load!   A few seasons ago with that revolver I put one of those bullets through both of a bucks lungs. I couldn't believe the hole they left! As to the 454424 and similar 250-255 gr. bullets I find 6.5 grs. of either Red Dot or 700-X almost perfect for 850-900 fps and again, accuracy is just peachy.     |
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Post by 45MAN on May 25, 2024 7:40:41 GMT -5
BUMPING THIS THREAD 'cuz A MEMBER WAS LOOKING FOR A GUN NOTES ARTICLE BY JOHN LINEBAUGH AND IN A PAGE 1 POST IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 MEMBER ODIN POSTED A PDF REFERENCE TO WHAT THE MEMBER MAY BE LOOKING FOR.
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pete
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Post by pete on Jun 4, 2024 18:29:18 GMT -5
I have a 25-5 that has never made it to the range with me despite my having had it for 20 years. I'm expecting to rectify that soon, and hope to work up some 454424 and 270SAA loads for it and my other .45 Colt revolvers: a 625-7 Mountain Gun, two Vaqueros, and a Blackhawk Bisley. The Rugers are all the older, heavier ones. In addition to some easy loads, I want to load some +P loads, targeting 1,000 to 1,100 fps with these bullets. I want loads that I can use in any of these guns and do not plan to load any Ruger specific loads.* I've read Pearce's articles and I've seen others suggesting that the 23,000 psi loads are fine for the S&Ws as the same guns are chambered in .45 ACP. Well, 23 kpsi is +P for ACP, so why has that level been chosen as the top for these guns? I think that 21 kpsi would be more reasonable. Some questions for discussion: Are the S&W 25s and newer Rugers really OK with these loads at all? What about a steady diet of loads at these levels? Can 1,000 fps be reached at 20 to 21 kpsi? * I may load some heavier loads for the Bisley later, but I'm going to mark the heck out of them and keep them away from the other loads.
My favorite hunting load in my 45 Colt is a cast SWC from an RCBS 45-270-SAA mold. Mine drop at 288 grs. and 9.5 gr. of Power Pistol, which according to Brian Pearce's data, should be well under 21,000 psi, runs them just under 1000 fps from my Uberti Frisco. But best of all, it's a very accurate load! A few seasons ago with that revolver I put one of those bullets through both of a bucks lungs. I couldn't believe the hole they left! As to the 454424 and similar 250-255 gr. bullets I find 6.5 grs. of either Red Dot or 700-X almost perfect for 850-900 fps and again, accuracy is just peachy. That bullet is a real thumper. I gave some of those, loaded on 9.5grs of Unique, to a friend who put one through a pig at 35ish yards. It took one step sideways and collapsed. The bullet made an inch plus hole clear through, about all you'll ever need from a 45 Colt belt gun |
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