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Post by jeffh on Nov 23, 2023 11:02:18 GMT -5
I'm not getting the H&R vibe from the pictures...
More like High Standard.
Not to insult High Standard...
If that gun were $289, I could see it with a much kinder eye. So many things about it reflect ways High Standard and Charter Arms reduced cost in manufacturing, which should reflect reduced cost in owning. I can't say it 's a bad design, but you pay a lot more for better-looking guns for a reason. Look at the crane on a Smith, Colt, Ruger (not the LCR series) and then look at this one. There's innovation in that crane design which makes it much less reliant on careful fitting, mating and shaping - just like Charter Arms and the Ruger LCRs cut costs with the same/similar ideas. Charter borrowed much from High Stadard as well. Ruger beefed up and prettied up the Charter design in the Security/Service/Speed Six line and they cost more, but they cost a fair bit less than a Colt or Smith did.
While I admire and respect that sort of innovation in a revolver it's also the thing that repulses me in this one. There are even hints of how money was saved on the mating of surfaces on Heritage guns and the Ruger Wrangler in this one. Nothing wrong with all that, but not when you're asking two to thee times what the others cost.
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Post by AxeHandle on Nov 23, 2023 15:02:38 GMT -5
EK wrote in Sixguns By Keith, Chapter IV, Sixgun Sights, page 102, first column,
second paragraph, "...and to our notion all sixguns and auto pistols should be fitted
with accurate adjustable sights if the barrel are 4 inches or more in length and the gun
is intended for accurate aimed fire...."
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Post by jeffh on Nov 23, 2023 15:59:53 GMT -5
EK wrote in Sixguns By Keith, Chapter IV, Sixgun Sights, page 102, first column, second paragraph, "...and to our notion all sixguns and auto pistols should be fitted with accurate adjustable sights if the barrel are 4 inches or more in length and the gun is intended for accurate aimed fire...." Possibly, the omission was more fiscal than functional.
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Post by AxeHandle on Nov 23, 2023 16:46:01 GMT -5
Doesn't say much for their market research does it? Of course we could be the flawed ones but... I'm think that quirky ones like us would be the focus for such a product.
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Post by jeffh on Nov 23, 2023 18:34:53 GMT -5
Apparently someone is getting the word that these things are ugly and look cheap. This review goes to lengths to address these things. Better views of the gun and at least some information about details which you rarely get until you buy something and handle it. Might not be a "bad" revolver, but I'd still not fork out the kind of money they seem to think it's worth. That's me. I'm sure others don't see it as an issue. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2urMzB6tU |
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 24, 2023 6:46:16 GMT -5
As others have stated, it's this guns obscene price point that's unbelievable.
It's about the same as my new S&W 19 Classic. Ditto on the Colt King Cobra Target.
It just doesn't make sense to me...
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Post by jeffh on Nov 24, 2023 9:29:03 GMT -5
As others have stated, it's this guns obscene price point that's unbelievable. It's about the same as my new S&W 19 Classic. Ditto on the Colt King Cobra Target. It just doesn't make sense to me...
Yet people keep paying it. Or amassing more personal debt.
The new Ruger-Marlins -MSRP over $1k. Like it's a No. 1 or something. Just before Remington went under, I almost bought a Marlin 30/30 youth model, brand new for $400. I looked it over and couldn't find much to complain about - just didn't need one. It as fit and finished like a "working-man's" gun, like Marlin AND Ruger used to be.
Marlins, in my lifetime, were inexpensive guns, meant to be used. I never thought their fit and finish was all that premium, and then there were the ones sold to chain-stores, finished a little less finely, but they worked - did the job and were admired for that.
Maybe Henry figures if people are willing to pay a grand for so many other guns, they may as well ask that too?
I always though Henry rifles were a bit pricey, compared to others, but they don't seem to have jacked their prices up nearly like all the other have on rifles.
I did notice Rossi has a new M95 Marlin copy, which looks really nice. Still, $700 for a Rossi when a Marlin was $400 a few short years ago?
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Post by needsmostuff on Nov 24, 2023 11:18:37 GMT -5
But are these companies REALLY jacking up the prices? Or is the value of your dollar just crumbling that fast? How long till we have $100,000 pickups, $40 hamburgers and average medium housing at half a million or more. How soon for $30 minimum wage? I don't even want to speculate how high the lobbying bribes in Washington must be by now. If the price of rifles have only doubled in 10 years that's probably fair.  |
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Post by jeffh on Nov 24, 2023 11:59:03 GMT -5
.... If the price of rifles have only doubled in 10 years that's probably fair.
I'm talking tripled in three or four.
EDIT: Hey, I drug this off track with my reference examples. My apologies.
Not chickening out of a civil debate, needmostuff - I just should not have instigated it in THIS thread.
My apologies again.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Nov 24, 2023 12:46:15 GMT -5
But are these companies REALLY jacking up the prices? Or is the value of your dollar just crumbling that fast? How long till we have $100,000 pickups, $40 hamburgers and average medium housing at half a million or more. How soon for $30 minimum wage? We already have $100,000 trucks and the nationwide median home price is ~$380,000. We're getting there. Inflation that used to take decades, now happens in months. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Nov 24, 2023 22:02:03 GMT -5
Even without the inflated price, I would pass on this for anything higher in price than a Wrangler.
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Post by gnappi on Nov 25, 2023 7:36:07 GMT -5
Ugly can be trumped by the caliber and that one is IMO the wrong caliber.
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Post by needsmostuff on Nov 25, 2023 11:17:55 GMT -5
Do I see a detent ball hiding behind the ejector rod fitted into the crane? (like the mod. 69 S&W) As such it is NOT the same crane lock up as Charter Arms that uses the reverse taper on the ejector rod to pull it all together. Ejector rod on the Henry looks straight so only locks on the breech end. The first guy to buy one (sorry, it won't be me) will be obligated to pull off the side plate so we can see the guts inside.  The notches in the cylinder (offset as they should be) look to be wide and long. I have not seen a picture of the cylinder bolt to see if it matches the scale of the notch. It could be quite sturdy. Factory grips ? Meh! First set of nicely made custom grips made for one of these MIGHT change the whole dynamic. |
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Post by jeffh on Nov 25, 2023 13:27:35 GMT -5
Do I see a detent ball hiding behind the ejector rod fitted into the crane? (like the mod. 69 S&W) As such it is NOT the same crane lock up as Charter Arms that uses the reverse taper on the ejector rod to pull it all together. Ejector rod on the Henry looks straight so only locks on the breech end. .... Nope, the lockup is not the same, but the concept of the crane not being carefully mated to the front of the frame is within the same cost-cutting measures mentioned, ala High Standard and Charter. Not a bad idea and I'm happy with it, but it's a cost-cutter which should show up at retail.
I personally believe the Charter front lockup is a better design than a detent/ball, whether always executed to the potential or not. Charter's design would support the cylinder/crane better in a drop or a bump to the ejector rod. You can bend the ejector rod on a Charter and the gun will still shoot just fine as long as the ejector button doesn't drag on the barrel. I shot a Bulldog with a bent ejector rod for a few years before noticing it. It will bend forward of the front bearing surface of the cylinder and the cylinder will continue to spin just fine.
I have no problem with exposed ejector rods myself, but at least put a little taper in the barrel. "Heavy" or "bull" barrels and "full underlugs have always struck me as a cost-cutting measure which were upsold as fancy features with a cost decrease followed by a price increase.
I'm not saying that Charter revolvers are "better" than all other revolvers either, but there are innovative (many borrowed BY Charter and FROM Charter) which are good design features.
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Post by barbarosa on Nov 25, 2023 15:34:10 GMT -5
I would rather pack a slingshot!
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