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Post by brant on Nov 12, 2023 16:22:32 GMT -5
I see it is popular to use a ribbed smith and Wesson barrel on a Ruger Blackhawk. Do the treads already match? Or must the threads be removed and then recut, shortening the barrel? If the later is true, how much shorter does it end up?
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Post by kings6 on Nov 12, 2023 16:29:55 GMT -5
Cut and rethread with corresponding shortening. I just figured I would get 1 1/2”-2” shorter final outcome. I’m sure someone will come along with exact numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 16:32:09 GMT -5
N frame barrels to blackhawks. Threads have to be recut. You lose 1 1/2-2 inches on average. Its quite the undertaking. Andy Horvath built one for me. I sent him a 2nd gun this summer, he estimated a 2 year wait.
My first was a 6" pre 25 model 1955 barrel that is now 4" and the 2nd is a pinned
8 3/8 25 barrel that I requested 5 1/2. The wait is killer on this one.
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Post by bushog on Nov 12, 2023 18:17:20 GMT -5
I have a bunch of them. Make sure you get an older S&W barrel….
1” shorter at least.
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Post by brant on Nov 12, 2023 21:23:44 GMT -5
It’s not something I am actively looking at. Just thinking ahead for future projects.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 22:08:06 GMT -5
It’s not something I am actively looking at. Just thinking ahead for future projects. The problem now is finding smiths who will do the work. I sent Andy Horvath another gun because retirement is inevitable for our aging community of single action smiths. Waiting is not a good option at this juncture. |
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Post by aciera on Nov 13, 2023 17:07:58 GMT -5
Why is it so hard to do?
Besides timing.
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Post by kings6 on Nov 13, 2023 18:01:07 GMT -5
Not sure it is especially tough even with the timing issue but often the transition from the top strap to the rib can be an aesthetic challenge. I have seen them done very tastefully and I have seen some that are uglier than the north end of a south bound pig.
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Post by 500fksjr on Nov 13, 2023 18:30:25 GMT -5
Not sure it is especially tough even with the timing issue but often the transition from the top strap to the rib can be an aesthetic challenge. I have seen them done very tastefully and I have seen some that are uglier than the north end of a south bound pig. Amen!! |
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Post by aciera on Nov 13, 2023 19:50:46 GMT -5
Not sure it is especially tough even with the timing issue but often the transition from the top strap to the rib can be an aesthetic challenge. I have seen them done very tastefully and I have seen some that are uglier than the north end of a south bound pig. Okay I gotcha……..one of the trial and error jobs of pistol smiths |
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Post by kings6 on Nov 13, 2023 20:25:49 GMT -5
It seems like a guy could set the barrel up against the front of the frame once they have removed the original threaded section and get a pretty good idea of what they would be facing on getting these two faces to meet. I know when I had Bowen install a ribbed barrel he mentioned the need for some micro welding to make things look right.
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Post by bigbore5 on Nov 13, 2023 20:27:00 GMT -5
Dang. Now I have to find a S&W barrel and another beater Blackhawk for another learning project.
I can tig up the top strap and blend it...
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Post by aciera on Nov 13, 2023 20:39:31 GMT -5
Dang. Now I have to find a S&W barrel and another beater Blackhawk for another learning project. I can tig up the top strap and blend it... It’s like die work……no real print. Just get it right |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 20:49:05 GMT -5
Andy Horvath welds up the front of the topstrap so he can machine a transition. Jack Huntington had the top strap welded on my blackhawk that he is putting a colt anaconda barrel on.
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 20, 2023 19:36:55 GMT -5
THREAD TIMING is not a trial & error caper, I reckon. Leastwise, to calculate measurements (cuts) by calculator or pencil & paper comes very close correct alignment. Fine threads allow more fudge than coarse threads for workable tightness. I prefer the barrel shoulder to hand tighten 10-12 degrees BTDC. Smiths may have another riming preference. It’s the over-advanced timing or no timing at all that looks for a long handled wrench to crush-fit, when simple math should prevent butchery. Adjusting cylinder gap comes after thread timing. The drop forged S&W barrels and drop forged Ruger Redhawk barrels seek skilled work to handsomely finish the barrel for single action application and correct alignment of extractor to chamber.
A proper, vintage drop forged & broach rifled S&W barrel makes for cream accuracy. Same applies for proper Ruger barrels made by George Wilson and Ruger. I’d check for a cream bore before further work.
David Bradshaw
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