gnappi
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Post by gnappi on Nov 14, 2023 12:06:14 GMT -5
Nuff said above :-)
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Post by gcf on Nov 14, 2023 14:02:38 GMT -5
...Clements told me he'd rechambered quite a number of 45 ACP Cylinders to 45 Schofield. The Schofield is chambered with a 45 Colt Reamer, just not cut as deep. I don't think you'll have any issues with this... Kinda' like that idea. Did he happen to quote you a price? Bit off point (apologies to OP), but I'd personally find my stainless NM flattop .45 convertible (Bisley conversion) more interesting - as .45 Colt / .45 Schofield... Do I recall you mentioning in an earlier post, that you use .44SPL data for a 5 shot Schofield?
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Post by singleaction on Nov 14, 2023 14:12:57 GMT -5
...Clements told me he'd rechambered quite a number of 45 ACP Cylinders to 45 Schofield. The Schofield is chambered with a 45 Colt Reamer, just not cut as deep. I don't think you'll have any issues with this... Kinda' like that idea. Did he happen to quote you a price? Bit off point (apologies to OP), but I'd personally find my stainless NM flattop .45 convertible (Bisley conversion) more interesting - as .45 Colt / .45 Schofield... Do I recall you mentioning in an earlier post, that you use .44SPL data for a 5 shot Schofield? David Clements is thoroughly retired!
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 14, 2023 16:09:01 GMT -5
Yes, Clements is very retired and enjoying life.
I should have been more clear on my post. It was meant as a reference for being being possible not as a reference for who to do the work...
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Post by gcf on Nov 16, 2023 14:55:31 GMT -5
Yes, Clements is very retired and enjoying life. I should have been more clear on my post. It was meant as a reference for being being possible not as a reference for who to do the work... Yeah, understand Clements is retired. I was just trying to get a loose idea what it might cost. Thanks for planting the seed, anyway...
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 16, 2023 15:02:33 GMT -5
It's a very simple rechambering if like most of these cylinders come from Ruger. You couldn't line bore, so cost would be minimal.
I do use Brian Pearce's 25k PSI 44 Special Data in my Clements 5-Shot 45 Schofield. Case capacity is exactly the same. Pressure should be a tad lower than the 44 Special due to the large expansion area...
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Post by revolvercranker on Nov 16, 2023 18:48:56 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Ream the 45 acp cylinder out to 45 Win Mag and have the cylinders openned up to what size bullet you want. I have a S&W Model 25 in 45 Colt and my cylinder throats are .456. I size my bullet to .452 (the groove in my Smith is .451. It's one of the most accurate 45 Colts I've ever handled. One day listening to all the experts said to shoot it with bullets that are .456. I did and off the bench and the .452 sized bullets were more accurate. I'm also going to tell you that shooting unsized bullets is not the best. I'm being very modest as I don't want to tramp on toes. Thing about this, tis a rare mould that casts a true round bullet. Sizing done properly doesn't harm the bullet.
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Post by singleaction on Nov 16, 2023 22:07:55 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Ream the 45 acp cylinder out to 45 Win Mag and have the cylinders openned up to what size bullet you want. I have a S&W Model 25 in 45 Colt and my cylinder throats are .456. I size my bullet to .452 (the groove in my Smith is .451. It's one of the most accurate 45 Colts I've ever handled. One day listening to all the experts said to shoot it with bullets that are .456. I did and off the bench and the .452 sized bullets were more accurate. I'm also going to tell you that shooting unsized bullets is not the best. I'm being very modest as I don't want to tramp on toes. Thing about this, tis a rare mould that casts a true round bullet. Sizing done properly doesn't harm the bullet. Need a five shot for 45 Win mag, as SAAMI pressure runs 40k psi. I would not run oversized bullets at anything much over standard 45 Colt pressure and relatively soft alloy like 1:15 tin/lead or straight wheel weights. I’m kinda surprised you didn’t get some leading in that smith barrel. Must have had great base obturation.
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Post by revolvercranker on Nov 16, 2023 22:28:50 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Ream the 45 acp cylinder out to 45 Win Mag and have the cylinders openned up to what size bullet you want. I have a S&W Model 25 in 45 Colt and my cylinder throats are .456. I size my bullet to .452 (the groove in my Smith is .451. It's one of the most accurate 45 Colts I've ever handled. One day listening to all the experts said to shoot it with bullets that are .456. I did and off the bench and the .452 sized bullets were more accurate. I'm also going to tell you that shooting unsized bullets is not the best. I'm being very modest as I don't want to tramp on toes. Thing about this, tis a rare mould that casts a true round bullet. Sizing done properly doesn't harm the bullet. Need a five shot for 45 Win mag, as SAAMI pressure runs 40k psi. I would not run oversized bullets at anything much over standard 45 Colt pressure and relatively soft alloy like 1:15 tin/lead or straight wheel weights. I’m kinda surprised you didn’t get some leading in that smith barrel. Must have had great base obturation. I neglected to say to run the 45 Win Mag at 45 Colt pressures, I didn't mean to shoot the 45K stuff. So with that mentioned six six shot cylindger would be okay, but to tell you the truth he doesn't have to any of that and only has to size the darn bullets. Zero leading in the Smith. The rifling is shallow in the Smith too not like what the put in their 44 and 357 mags. I call it 45acp rifling like in the 1911's.
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Post by jeffh on Nov 18, 2023 11:52:59 GMT -5
I'd keep it as a 45 ACP cylinder.
It makes the gun incredibly versatile. I'm sure more 45 ACP brass gets made and distributed than 45 Colt, plus it's cheaper. 45 ACP brass comes with large AND small primer pockets. I'd segregate it and use whichever one I had more of or knew I could replace more easily. Maybe you like the 45 Colt better and never shoot the ACP, but you'd have the option if things got tighter. Most of us are not seeing our incomes keep pace with the prices we're being charged, so it's never a bad idea to plan for a tighter future than anticipated. If things get better, no harm in still having that cylinder and some brass on hand. And who doesn't have 45 ACP dies?
It may be exciting to make something else out of it, but if I had a Blackhawk with both cylinders and wanted another, I'd look for another, but I would not let that ACP cylinder get away.
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Post by revolvercranker on Nov 18, 2023 15:06:32 GMT -5
I have a the older 3 screw Blackhawk in 45 Colt with the 45 acp cylinder. Many of my friends have the same gun or the new model version and ALL of say the same thing. It's one of the most accurate revolvers with the acp cylinder in it. That amazes me because of one reason, the looooong hammer fall! I have some tuned 1911's that my Ruger will give them a run for their money. Now if I switch it to the 45 Colt cylinder, it sucks only with the heavy bullets. It shines with 200 grain SWC's.
Like the post before this stick with what you have. You can load the 45 acp pretty hot in that Ruger and maybe a tad more if you use the small primer version.
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