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Post by jwp475 on Oct 2, 2023 22:40:14 GMT -5
Your opinion of the Dan Wesson 357 maximum with 8" barrel
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 3, 2023 11:28:24 GMT -5
Your opinion of the Dan Wesson 357 maximum with 8" barrel ***** John.... need some time for even a short answer. Occupied now with your forte, welding. The Dan Wesson Arms Model 40 .357 Maximum is unique among revolvers, for sure a specialized revolver. David Bradshaw |
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 3, 2023 12:37:46 GMT -5
Well, I'm not David Bradshaw, but I do own several of the 8" DW Maximums which is a rarity for me. I normally love variety and don't duplicate revolvers.
That alone should tell you all you need to know about how much I think of Dan Wesson Maximum sixguns.
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and I don't mis-name them with SuperMag.
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Post by jwp475 on Oct 3, 2023 13:55:57 GMT -5
Well, I'm not David Bradshaw, but I do own several of the 8" DW Maximums which is a rarity for me. I normally love variety and don't duplicate revolvers. That alone should tell you all you need to know about how much I think of Dan Wesson Maximum sixguns. Prescut and I don't mis-name them with SuperMag. How much velocity do you get with the 8" barrel |
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 4, 2023 9:42:50 GMT -5
jwp475,
My advice is tainted; I'm a Dan Wesson fan boy.
Of course, your velocity question depends on the recipe. My logs show 1550fps (I estimated more) using 18.5 of 4227 and a 180gr TMJ. That made a tight 1" group at 25 yards. Not using cast bullets was a real rarity for me. I now use the cast Bradshaw-Martin bullet for all things Maximum. Sorry, no data.
A buddy used 20.0gr and was getting 1760fps, but his accuracy was around 2". Note: I think I might increase the crimp and get a little more velocity, but I don't think I would get better accuracy.
I don't chase velocity. I chase accuracy. I normally ignore velocity, except for its translation to pressure. I accept the velocity I achieve when I get the best accuracy. Depending on the gun, different load recipes produce different velocities and accuracies. Your need to test YOUR gun ! The proof is in the pudding.
If you are looking for the highest 357 Maximum velocity, I believe the 8" barrel in a Dan Wesson revolver will get you there the safest, IMHO. It is a big, heavy revolver with a lot of meat on the cylinder. I wouldn't be surprised to see folks getting 2000fps. But DO NOT use lighter bullets with more powder for more velocity!!! You can erode the top strap a lot faster. But even that stops quickly and doesn't harm the gun.
I've actually blown one Maximum up and stretched the cylinder on another shooting Max ammo from a manufacturer that sold bad ammo. He admitted it immediately and paid for 2 revolvers. The story is on several web sites. That was my Awakening to handload everything I shoot.
But you are right about asking David. He has more real world experience than anyone out there. His tips and tricks are priceless having been proven at the firing line.
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Never ignore the original Ruger SRM as an excellent choice to shoot 357 Maximum ! I believe David won several National Championships with it.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 5, 2023 6:27:47 GMT -5
My 8" stainless DW .357 Maximum was one of the most accurate revolvers I've ever seen.
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Post by lockhart on Oct 6, 2023 15:30:34 GMT -5
And, the Dan Wesson's say "Super-Mag" on their barrel shrouds!
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 7, 2023 10:10:10 GMT -5
And, the Dan Wesson's say "Super-Mag" on their barrel shrouds! And, Madonna's album says "Like a Virgin" on the cover. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Oct 7, 2023 10:46:05 GMT -5
This is starting to sound like a Whisper/Blackout discussion,…….regardless of what it’s called it’s a great hunting handgun round.
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Post by James on Oct 7, 2023 13:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 7, 2023 20:54:42 GMT -5
Your opinion of the Dan Wesson 357 maximum with 8" barrel ***** John.... 8-inch is the only barrel I’ve shot in the DWA .357 Maximum. You can drive velocity with 8-inches. Velocity was never my goal with the .357 Maximum and not once have I loaded for velocity. The Maximum pushes heavies much faster than a .357 Mag. Only one revolver meets requirements for a .357 Mag velocity contender: the Freedom Arms Model 353 (M-83 in .357 Mag), and it calls on freak pressure to do so. No everyday-load .357 Mag threatens the Maximum for launching heavies. Who wants every load they fire to be a proof load? Dan Wesson Arms asked this shooter if he would propose to the IHMSA board if an exception could be made to the 4-pound (64 ounce) weight limit for Production category pistols. To make an allowance for one manufacturer would open Production rules to every sort of manipulation. Thus, DWA dropped any idea of a Vent Heavy 8-inch shroud (full underlug), which this shooter had promoted as the perfect silhouette configuration for the Model 44 .44 Mag. DWA set about making the M40 meet the 4-pound requirement as established for all three Production categories: Production, Revolver, and Standing. Which is why the M40 comes standard with 8” barrel, VS shroud (slotted shroud with short underlug). My criteria for judging the first big frame Dan----M44 .44 Mag with Vent Heavy 8”----is based in its offhand performance, and the same balance & heft is found in the M40 .357 Maximum Vent Silhouette 8”. I wouldn’t be interested in any other configuration of DWA M40. Nor have I seen a different configuration. The M40 was shipped with two 1:14” twist barrels. However, the 1:14 was soon replaced with a 1:16” twist. I asked the Monson, Massachusetts folks “Why?” and was told they had a problem, presumably accuracy, with the 1:14. My 1:14’s were flawless, and I didn’t hear of any negative reports from steel shooters. I had loaded Hornady .358 rifle bullets in the .357 Maximum, and found the 1:14 stabilized the .358 200 grain Spire Point, as well as the 200 Round Nose. Whereas, the 1:16 twist produced excellent accuracy from the 200 RN, but failed to stabilize the longer 200 Spire Point. When 200 RN and 200 SP are launched at 1,300 fps, the Spire Point hits the ram 100 fps faster. Toward the end of Monson production, DWA made a stainless steel .357 Maximum, dubbing it the Model 740. Just as S&W attached a “6” prefix to to the model number to designate stainless steel, DWA used a “7” prefix to designate stainless. DWA employed chromoly barrels for all production, including stainless. The M740 came with 1:18-3/4” twist. This suggests, toward the end of production, the same barrel stock as used own the M15 .357 Mag was also used to turn barrels for the M740 .357 Maximum. Early in the DWA .357 Maximum story, Canadian singer Nanette Workman and I drove over to Damariscotta, Maine for an IHMSA match. One of the Maine boys loaned Nanette his DWA M40, for which he had loaded the Hornady .358 200 grain Spire Point. Nanette lay down in her Dead Frog position and mowed down 19x20 rams @ 200 meters. You can bet that was the 1:14 twist. David Bradshaw |
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 7, 2023 21:03:12 GMT -5
 Blasted this fat boy at somewhere between 50 to 60 as he was trotting towards me in the chest with DW 357 Max shooting 180 Partition over 110... Very impressed with what a little more speed and good bullet can do to game with a .357 bullet... ***** Cardiac Arrhythmia Specialist James from Jersey in the operating room. David Bradshaw |
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Post by James on Oct 7, 2023 22:43:47 GMT -5
Cardiac Arrhythmia Specialist James from Jersey in the operating room. David Bradshaw [/quote] Now that put a smile on my face when I really needed it Davie  ....... Thank`s |
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Post by James on Oct 7, 2023 22:49:52 GMT -5
Your opinion of the Dan Wesson 357 maximum with 8" barrel ***** Early in the DWA .357 Maximum story, Canadian singer Nanette Workman and I drove over to Damariscotta, Maine for an IHMSA match. One of the Maine boys loaned Nanette his DWA M40, for which he had loaded the Hornady .358 200 grain Spire Point. Nanette lay down in her Dead Frog position and mowed down 19x20 rams @ 200 meters. You ca bet that was the 1:14 twist. David Bradshaw You have lead a most interesting life  |
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 8, 2023 10:18:25 GMT -5
Interesting is an understatement  David's stories are historic and if we didn't have 'em right here, they might have been lost for all time. Once again, many of us read history and enjoy it. but, David lived it. Prescut |
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