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Post by babills on Sept 18, 2023 23:49:50 GMT -5
Started today off planning to load 44mag for my Rugers Redhawk and Blackhawk. Well I couldn't find large pistol primers locally so I found stuff to load my 357 Ruger gp100, For deer. I used 15gr H110 over 158gr Sierra JSP flatnose with heavy crimp.and Winchester spp. Hopefully this turns out good. I also bought a pound of titegroup to try out. Setting up the new press was an adventure to say the least, but I enjoyed the time! No load data in my lee book for h110 and JSP so I used Hornsby XTP data should be ok correct? Thanks for helping out.
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Post by sixshot on Sept 19, 2023 1:28:28 GMT -5
Be careful interchanging bullets & powder charges from 2 different manuals. H110 have a very narrow minimum to maximum charge window, so if you are near the top end & switch bullet brands like you mention you might be creeping into a pressure spike because that Sierra 158 gr bullet probably has a different seating depth (crimp groove) than the 158 gr XTP Hornady. Good luck in the exciting world of reloading!
Dick
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Post by 45MAN on Sept 19, 2023 7:05:13 GMT -5
babills: AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU COREECTLY: you had no LP primers on hand?
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Post by Odin on Sept 19, 2023 7:36:16 GMT -5
You should be OK at 15 grains as I see that's the starting load for H110/158gr XTP, but Dick is absolutely correct, you can't just swap components willy-nilly. Bullets of the same weight can be significantly longer or shorter than the same weight from a different manufacturer. Cannelure and/or crimp grooves can be positioned differently, making the bullets from one manufacturer seat a bit deeper than the same weight projectile offered by their competitors. Then there's the difference of swapping one type of primer for another, or the internal volume differences between the various brands of brass.
This is the exact type of thing that keeps me from hardly ever touching my copy of the Lee manual. There's just enough information in there to make a guy dangerous and just enough left out to make me suspect...
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Post by babills on Sept 19, 2023 7:37:41 GMT -5
babills: AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU COREECTLY: you had no LP primers on hand? You are correct sir. Lol, yesterday was my first day to reload in over 20 years. The fellas in the single action forum planted the seed about a month ago. So I have been buying a used press kit and tumblers and you know supplys. But no one local has LP so it looks like I have to order some. |
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Post by babills on Sept 19, 2023 7:39:15 GMT -5
Be careful interchanging bullets & powder charges from 2 different manuals. H110 have a very narrow minimum to maximum charge window, so if you are near the top end & switch bullet brands like you mention you might be creeping into a pressure spike because that Sierra 158 gr bullet probably has a different seating depth (crimp groove) than the 158 gr XTP Hornady. Good luck in the exciting world of reloading! Dick Thanks Dick I started off at the minimum load, probably won't need to move up from there. I have a feeling it is a stout little load. |
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Post by contender on Sept 19, 2023 7:54:05 GMT -5
All excellent info above.
I'm helping a few guys get into reloading currently. One of the things I've stressed is the need for more than (1) loading manual. Components can make a difference in how a load is assembled. Current manuals,, provide the best data for loading information. Manuals are CHEAP when measured against the safety factor. There is 9 older ones on a book shelf above my computer desk right now,, and in my reloading room, there are at least 20 manuals. Buy a few more manuals.
Another thing to add to the careful working up of a load, from what you've posted.
You are using H110, and as noted above, it has a narrow window of adjustment in powder charges. You mentioned a specific charge. Those of us who've handloaded for a while,, seek the best accuracy for our guns, (after making sure the load is a safe one,) and we work up a load. We start at the low end listed, and work up slowly. We find the best load that provides the optimum accuracy as long as it's within the safe levels.
Reloading is an addition to the hobby to allow us to tweak our ammo to our guns, AND provide a level of satisfaction of making our own stuff. When starting a new load,, only load a test sample number & shoot them. Find what's best in YOUR gun. Then load a larger test sample run to re-check your first trials. Let the manuals & the target be your guide.
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Post by babills on Sept 19, 2023 8:33:17 GMT -5
All excellent info above. I'm helping a few guys get into reloading currently. One of the things I've stressed is the need for more than (1) loading manual. Components can make a difference in how a load is assembled. Current manuals,, provide the best data for loading information. Manuals are CHEAP when measured against the safety factor. There is 9 older ones on a book shelf above my computer desk right now,, and in my reloading room, there are at least 20 manuals. Buy a few more manuals. Another thing to add to the careful working up of a load, from what you've posted. You are using H110, and as noted above, it has a narrow window of adjustment in powder charges. You mentioned a specific charge. Those of us who've handloaded for a while,, seek the best accuracy for our guns, (after making sure the load is a safe one,) and we work up a load. We start at the low end listed, and work up slowly. We find the best load that provides the optimum accuracy as long as it's within the safe levels. Reloading is an addition to the hobby to allow us to tweak our ammo to our guns, AND provide a level of satisfaction of making our own stuff. When starting a new load,, only load a test sample number & shoot them. Find what's best in YOUR gun. Then load a larger test sample run to re-check your first trials. Let the manuals & the target be your guide. Thanks for the advice. I only loaded 7 rounds and will check accuracy soon. Then ill go slow from there. I will look into other load manuals as well. |
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Post by DutchV on Sept 19, 2023 8:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by harold89 on Sept 19, 2023 18:46:26 GMT -5
Load Data on line is nice to have and reference. Welcome to reloading. I was lucky to have a friend help me get started over 30 years ago and I simply can’t imagine not being able to make my own ammunition. It’s so much fun just trying different stuff…
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Post by giblett on Sept 19, 2023 20:24:17 GMT -5
Before long you will be buying dies and stuff you dont have a gun for.
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 22, 2023 5:27:25 GMT -5
I use Loaddata online alot, but also have several manuals I cross-reference with also.
Programs like Quickload and GRT are not accurate when it comes to estimates of pressure in straight wall cartridges and should be avoided until you are experienced with the manuals and know the powders
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Post by parallaxbill on Sept 25, 2023 13:41:51 GMT -5
Hope you'll enjoy reloading.
I've been doing it for quite a while but really got to enjoying it even more after I retired. I find it a very relaxing therapy given it requires attention to detail and begs me to be very precise when I'm at my bench. It keeps me sharp.
I just loaded 60 rounds of 45-70 for my Uberti 1885 Highwall replica for our quarterly 312 yard steel buffalo match.
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Post by babills on Sept 25, 2023 14:09:34 GMT -5
I am also finding it fun and relaxing. I enjoy the research and attention to detail as I am an old machinist. Not really old I'm 52. And terminally ill so its as old as I'm gonna get. Lol. It is what it is. But for the mean time it is keeping my mind off of the cancer. And that means alot.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Sept 25, 2023 18:57:04 GMT -5
I am also finding it fun and relaxing. I enjoy the research and attention to detail as I am an old machinist. Not really old I'm 52. And terminally ill so its as old as I'm gonna get. Lol. It is what it is. But for the mean time it is keeping my mind off of the cancer. And that means alot. So sorry to hear this. Praying for you and yours. |
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