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Post by cas on Aug 7, 2023 17:54:47 GMT -5
...other factors that led to the decline? Calling it .480 Ruger didn't help. |
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Post by gnappi on Aug 7, 2023 19:06:32 GMT -5
...other factors that led to the decline? Calling it .480 Ruger didn't help. Ha ha... Yeah I guess there are a number of shooters who look at Ruger differently than those of us who have come to respect some of their products. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 7, 2023 20:54:11 GMT -5
What else would they call it? 475 Linebaugh short? Or since John called the Long magnum, maybe 475 minimum?
I really don't think the name hurt it. I think the factory loads did. 325's? 385-415's would have shown what the round is. This worship of high velocity is worthless in big bore handguns. They are so effective because of mass.
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Post by leftysixgun on Aug 7, 2023 21:31:19 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it, I see the 475L going away before the 480 Ruger. Yet I own both and a fan of both. Push come to shove, Ill turn my 475 brass into 480....
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Post by bearskinner on Aug 7, 2023 21:37:30 GMT -5
  Here’s what Ruger named the cartridge first….. |
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Post by leftysixgun on Aug 7, 2023 21:48:56 GMT -5
And Id like to have a case or 2 of those....havent found any |
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Post by leftysixgun on Aug 7, 2023 21:52:49 GMT -5
...other factors that led to the decline? Calling it .480 Ruger didn't help. I see Ruger being more well known name vs. Linebaugh....no disrespect to Linebaugh either. Just cant see how calling it Ruger hurt the cartridge. Supposedly Steve Hornady is a big fan of big bores but it NOT a fan of big recoil. So the 480 Ruger was developed. Thats what Ive read and heard, not saying thats the gospel. |
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Post by Fowler on Aug 7, 2023 22:06:53 GMT -5
Calling it .480 Ruger didn't help. I see Ruger being more well known name vs. Linebaugh....no disrespect to Linebaugh either. Just cant see how calling it Ruger hurt the cartridge. Supposedly Steve Hornady is a big fan of big bores but it NOT a fan of big recoil. So the 480 Ruger was developed. Thats what Ive read and heard, not saying thats the gospel. I think a big part of the design was shortening the case so Ruger didn’t have to make longer cylinders the way the custom guys do. They are the same length as 44 mag or 45 colts are. At this point the lack of reasonably priced factory ammo is the biggest hurdle for the cartridge moving forwards. I mean are the guns really any more expensive to produce than 44 mag and 45 colts? But they are really a reloading only round, and if you are serious about shooting them they are costly to even buy what limited cast bullets are available commercially. I cast my own of course so really it doesn’t cost me any more to shoot than say a 38sp or 45 colt does. |
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Aug 8, 2023 7:38:04 GMT -5
Ruger should've launched with a 5-shot Bisley, moving later to a SRH. The Bisley is so much more portable and handy and would've been attractive to more shooters. Big bore revolvers should be belt guns, not scoped mini carbines.
Then they should've made sure the Bisleys they did launch were correct. Not fitted with junk ill-fitting grips and overtightend barrels with damaged bores. Mine came with all of the above and had to make a trip back to the factory for correction.
I scratched and saved like crazy for one of those, didn't have a lot of money at the time. And to receive my dream gun in such condition disheartened me. I shot it some once it got back, but then sold it.
I've just gotten to the point where I'm tired of buying Rugers knowing the odds are that it'll have to go back to the factory right out of the box to be corrected for something. The NM Flattops seem to be the exception, thankfully.
Back to the 480. Overall, the big bore revolver market is pretty small. The 480, factory loaded, does nothing that a good 44 or 45 Colt, 454 Casull, the 475 and 500 Linebaughs or the the new-at-the-time 500 Smith didn't already do. The bases were covered.
The 480 will carry on with those who like the cartridge and find it useful. It won't die, but it ain't growing either. It does make my beloved 41 look popular.
All of the above is just my opinion. I'm nobody in the grand scheme of things, just sharing my experience and stance on the 480. BTDT, got the t-shirt.
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 8, 2023 7:46:02 GMT -5
I miss those original Punch bullets. Wish I would have bought more when Belt Mountain made them. |
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Post by cas on Aug 9, 2023 21:39:36 GMT -5
I think calling it a .475 Anything would have been better, might be one in some large frame S&W by now too if it was.
(Honestly there were already enough short .475's that they just could have claimed one of those)
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Post by wheelnut on Aug 9, 2023 23:21:34 GMT -5
Then they should've made sure the Bisleys they did launch were correct. Not fitted with junk ill-fitting grips and overtightend barrels with damaged bores. Mine came with all of the above and had to make a trip back to the factory for correction. I scratched and saved like crazy for one of those, didn't have a lot of money at the time. And to receive my dream gun in such condition disheartened me. I shot it some once it got back, but then sold it. I've just gotten to the point where I'm tired of buying Rugers knowing the odds are that it'll have to go back to the factory right out of the box to be corrected for something. The NM Flattops seem to be the exception, thankfully. This follows my early experience with Rugers to a "T", make no money, save $10-20 here and there, buy gun and its all janked. I think the issue with 480 Ruger is simply the big bore market is relatively small and when the gun buying public at large looks for a big handgun they have the propensity to go for the biggest and baddest available, irrespective of utility. This explains the popularity of 500 S&W despite the guns chambered in it being unpackable in the field. Also, the lack of platforms for the cartridge has always hindered it's adoption, even with likely buyers who've done the research. It's simply too big for the S&W N-Frame, Ruger themselves only chambered it in the SBH recently. SRH was your only factory option. Plus factory ammo was another misstep, 325gr bullets only scratch the surface of what this cartridge is capable of, 400gr is the sweet spot. The 480 Ruger is the big bore equivalent of the 41 mag. Ideally suited to the large frame guns but not different enough to really take off and supplant existing options. But who knows what the future holds, look how 10mm has come back and 40S&W is disappearing. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 10, 2023 6:54:49 GMT -5
Also the frame of the SRH is simply not attractive.
If the 480 had been launched in a conventional looking Redhawk with a redesigned spring arrangement like the GP100/SRH, it would have been better received, especially if initially offered with 400gr factory ammo.
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Post by gnappi on Aug 10, 2023 8:23:54 GMT -5
Also the frame of the SRH is simply not attractive. If the 480 had been launched in a conventional looking Redhawk with a redesigned spring arrangement like the GP100/SRH, it would have been better received, especially if initially offered with 400gr factory ammo. I'm "generally" not influenced by aesthetics but I agree on both points. The original Redhawk frame with the Security Six / GP spring set would have been an immediate buy for me. |
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