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Post by potatojudge on Apr 30, 2024 7:28:10 GMT -5
Necrobump because I find myself desiring a .44 Special launcher and I've driven myself to analysis paralysis. I'm generally drawn to 4" revolvers but I am finding my 3" 686+ to be pleasant as well. How differently do the 4.25" and 2.75" M69s handle? Or is there really not enough difference to notice? If I'm just shooting poofter loads (think Russian in a .44 Special case) for plinking fun and the Skeeter load as my top end, am I really giving up any significant performance with the shorter barrel? I shoot both and don’t find much difference in handling. Pick whichever fits your carry method the best. Load performance will have more to do with the barrel gap and speed of the barrel than length, and in light loads who cares? |
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Post by bula on Apr 30, 2024 8:23:48 GMT -5
The snubby version came with slightly, appropriately smaller grips. I swapped into the LCRX magnum grips on my LCR 38..think same would work for the M69's.
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Post by awp101 on Apr 30, 2024 8:49:57 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I didn’t think there would be a significant difference in feel or performance but I try not to assume anything anymore.  |
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Post by needsmostuff on May 3, 2024 9:56:43 GMT -5
Has anyone ever heard a good explanation why they use a different cylinder latch ball location between the 2.75 and the 4.25?
Maybe just an evolution as the 2.75 looks professional and the 4.25 looks haphazard.
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Post by webber on May 3, 2024 10:53:34 GMT -5
Has anyone ever heard a good explanation why they use a different cylinder latch ball location between the 2.75 and the 4.25? Maybe just an evolution as the 2.75 looks professional and the 4.25 looks haphazard. Has anyone had any problems with the 4 inch gun? I have two of each and they havent given any trouble at all. Not the ball detent on the 2.75 inches or the 4 inches? Unless some problem rears it ugly head I will default to not being curious about it. |
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Post by aciera on May 3, 2024 23:56:03 GMT -5
Found a line on a 4" 625 barrel and called JRH about converting a 69 to 45 Colt. Jack said it was a no-go to rechamber the cylinder as it was maxed out in 44 mag. A new cylinder would have to be made. I don’t understand this. Now maybe I’ll trash a cylinder……but it’s physics When the Blackhawk 44 blows up up at 80k you shoot it at 40k John Linebaugh did the same with the 45…….blows up at 60k so shoot it at 30k If the 69 can shoot the 44 mag safely……why can’t it shoot the 45 at lower pressure………. Maybe I’m missing something………. I’m not shooting “Ruger Only” loads in it. I didn’t have the understanding of DA John did. But we were building for our selves. Bolt notch is no problem…….and that is certainly a weak point in a six shot. If it is safe for a 44mag…….lower pressure in a 45 seems possible I’ve built 475 6 shot in a BlackHawk……..lower pressure again. John called it a 476. And you can build a lower pressure than a476 in a colt…..480 Achilles It’s physics. Laws of physics………can’t break a law. Speeding is a rule…….. Missed this thread. |
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Post by marlin35 on May 4, 2024 2:11:57 GMT -5
I would jump on a chance to convert a M69 to 45 colt like a flea on a yard dog.
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Post by aciera on May 4, 2024 20:24:42 GMT -5
I would jump on a chance to convert a M69 to 45 colt like a flea on a yard dog. One of the easiest conversions there is. |
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Post by marlin35 on May 4, 2024 21:07:06 GMT -5
I would jump on a chance to convert a M69 to 45 colt like a flea on a yard dog. One of the easiest conversions there is. Is it just a new (built) cylinder and barrel? |
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Post by aciera on May 4, 2024 21:24:22 GMT -5
One of the easiest conversions there is. Is it just a new (built) cylinder and barrel? No. Like rechambering a 44 BlackHawk to 45 colt. Easy….. But instead of turning a barrel and adding a sight……the 2 piece barrel makes it easier. Take a chunk of 45.barrel and match the contours of the inner sleeve….screw in and set the barrel gap. Tighten it up and sights are on the outer sleeve. |
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Post by marlin35 on May 4, 2024 22:08:06 GMT -5
Is it just a new (built) cylinder and barrel? No. Like rechambering a 44 BlackHawk to 45 colt. Easy….. But instead of turning a barrel and adding a sight……the 2 piece barrel makes it easier. Take a chunk of 45.barrel and match the contours of the inner sleeve….screw in and set the barrel gap. Tighten it up and sights are on the outer sleeve. A new cylinder is required though correct? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned there not being enough meat to rebore the cylinder to 45. |
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Post by aciera on May 4, 2024 22:38:02 GMT -5
No. Like rechambering a 44 BlackHawk to 45 colt. Easy….. But instead of turning a barrel and adding a sight……the 2 piece barrel makes it easier. Take a chunk of 45.barrel and match the contours of the inner sleeve….screw in and set the barrel gap. Tighten it up and sights are on the outer sleeve. A new cylinder is required though correct? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned there not being enough meat to rebore the cylinder to 45. Why. The bolt notch is between chambers……best position possible Opening up the chamber about .020……that’s .010 on a side And you are dropping from 36,000 psi for the 44 mag to 23,000 psi recommended for the S&W 25&625 And I’m gonna be shooting about 15,000 for standard Colt loads 8 gr of 231 pushing a 255 Keith at about 900 fps. That is the load we shot all the time. And we shot EVERYTHING…….some you would not believe I do not see the problem……and neither did a well informed guy I was doing it for. If I’m missing something….. someone tell me. |
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Post by marlin35 on May 5, 2024 6:50:17 GMT -5
I am by no means questioning you, just asking questions. Like I said I would love to have a converted model 69 and am just trying to learn what it takes to do that. I would love to see pictures of one and hear about how it shoots.
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Post by aciera on May 5, 2024 7:23:02 GMT -5
I am by no means questioning you, just asking questions. Like I said I would love to have a converted model 69 and am just trying to learn what it takes to do that. I would love to see pictures of one and hear about how it shoots. Oh it’s no sweat. You were just quoting someone else. I was doing it for a friend that wanted a smaller gun to carry. I was gonna do it for myself anyway……..he said he wanted to build me a gun so it was just doing him a favor. S&W wouldn’t build him one. So……..somewhere in this thread is the story. I’m a numbers guy. As a man I worked for in aerospace said “There is no phenomenon………only physics we don’t understand yet” We went from first flight to the moon in less than 70 years. We used to think there was nothing faster than light but most folks on this site have seen It and just didn’t understand it yet. There are only a few innovators…….most just copy. Short fat cartridges………first the 6 PPC…….now it’s common design. I’m just copying the work of others. With simple changes Look how many new cartridges there are that aren’t really that innovative. Just a twist Just copying with a lil twist for the same results 6mm ARC 7mm STW Nothing new except barrel twist or parent case……. You are right to question!!!! Hell……You never learn anything by talking. (Said the long winded Ol Phart) As Richard Feynman said “Have a great disrespect for authority” Meaning to not believe something just because someone above you says so. You have the right to question. He lost his wife because he didn’t push the point with a doctor as to what was wrong with his wife. He had an IQ of 125. No genius……just questioned things. Just not that doctor. But later won a Nobel Prize. I ramble. Excuse an old man. |
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Post by bula on May 5, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5
Your ramblings make more sense than mine and nobody has dinged me yet. I've nothing here in 41 or 45, earlier in thread a wish for a 41mag version was mentioned. This seems a worthy thing too.
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