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Post by Encore64 on Jan 12, 2023 12:19:38 GMT -5
Huey - I assume the frame shown below is the T-4 you noted above? -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" Yes Sir!!! The stainless ones are really hard to find too...
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 11:52:22 GMT -5
Huey - again, thanks for the breakdown of TC frames. I bought three stainless Contender frames in the 1990's and all are T-4's. I had no clue they were rare until seeing your post. And while we're talking good cartridges for the Contender, let me throw in the 7mm International rimmed. I knew about it for years, but already had a 14" stainless 7-30 Waters from the factory. Around 15 years ago, a local guy sold off a lot of his silhouette equipment (he was an old IHMSA shooter). I bought a .375 SuperMag Seville from him. When closing the deal, he asked if I'd be interested in a 7mm International barrel. I said, no thanks. I already have a 7-30. He told me he used to shoot a factory 7-30 barrel, then switched to the International. Apparently, he sent it to JD Jones to be re-chambered. Claimed it proved far more accurate than the Waters (remember, we're talking the same factory barrel blank here). I was skeptical, but bought the barrel, Redding dies, and over 700 pieces of formed brass. He gave me one piece of advice on that barrel...."shoot 18.5 grs of SR 4759 with Hornady's 162 gr Match bullet. You'll never need another load". Well, I did just that and the barrel shot jaw-dropping groups at 100 yards. I'll have to pull targets but as I recall it would do 1 - 1.5", which is stellar for a 6x scope and 14" barrel. Glad I stocked up back then on IMR SR 4759, because they discontinued it. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 13, 2023 12:04:41 GMT -5
That used to a popular Silhouette Round. It's known for being quite accurate.
Kudos on the SR4759. I did the same thing. When they discontinued it, I made the rounds and bought all I could find. Couple big jugs and a bunch of small containers. It's so bulky, it doesn't come in 1# or 8# weights though the container sizes are the same.
My Contender Barrels range from 17 Ack Hornet to 50-70 Gov't. I've been obsessed with them since my early teens.
None have been as much fun as attempting to mimic the Old Rook Cartridges.
You did right by buying those T4s. The same scenario as 45 Colt Blackhawks. They started making them then switched to the G2 shortly thereafter.
Beautiful stock and forearm on that gun too...
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Post by potatojudge on Jan 13, 2023 12:29:23 GMT -5
Stocks look like High Plains Pegasus This is their Hammer grip
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 13:10:24 GMT -5
potatojudge - you're correct. The laminates on my 7mm International were done by High Plains and it is the Pegasus grip. Nice G2 you have there. What caliber? -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by potatojudge on Jan 13, 2023 13:26:46 GMT -5
That's an Encore with an MGM 260 barrel. That frame usually lives it's life as a 50 AK or 30-06AI carbine, but from time to time it becomes a 260 or 284 pistol.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 14:02:27 GMT -5
i should've known it was an Encore. It's written in big letters on the frame . Thanks for clarifying. And I bet that .50 Alaskan is a handful. Do you shoot it with those grips? -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by potatojudge on Jan 13, 2023 14:17:09 GMT -5
Absolutely not 😂
The AK is a 20 inch Bullberry carbine
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Post by jeffh on Jan 13, 2023 15:09:44 GMT -5
After doing a few searches for .225 Winchester, .444 Marlin and .220 Swift (for the 6.5 Mini Dreadnaught) I believe, like Huey said, the .30-30 based 6.5 is the way to go. I will play with the BF 6.5 BRM and see if that will keep me satisfied for now. Oh yeah the nostalgia thing is strong though
Something which has weighed heavily on my mind through the two most recent droughts.
Many not so obscure cartridges have gone to the back burner, and eventually right off the back of the stove in the past fifteen years. Not just cartridges you see only once in a great while, but even beyond those you mention, things like the 35 Remington, 30-40Krag, 257 Roberts, etc. went to the back burner initially, and now I wonder if they will every produce some of this stuff again. If they DO, it will be at a premium beyond the ransom they're asking for what they DO still make on a regular basis.
Since my main long-arm is now the Contender Carbine, any other new chambering I may consider adding to my small battery will be based on the 223/5.56 or 30/30 case. It might seem boring, but I'll not be forced into paying excessively for what someone else just says or decides is out of vogue, just because they want whatever old rehash they have recently developed to be in vogue and want to call "new."
Seems like Microsoft has influenced even the gun world to sell you something that doesn't work as well as the old version, let you fix it for them for free and, once it finally works, scrap it and come up with an even newer version of crap that you have to buy all over again.
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 13, 2023 15:53:11 GMT -5
Keep in mind, the old "boring" 30-30 Ackley Improved will do 2400+ fps with a 150 grn in a 14" Barrel.
In a Carbine, 300 Savage Performance can be approached with several powders.
Lee makes dies at a very affordable price too...
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Post by pacecars on Jan 13, 2023 18:14:55 GMT -5
Well this thread so far has lead me to a Contender 14” barrel in .375 JDJ with some correct headstamped brass from a kind member here and an easy open blued frame with a Pachmayer gripper grip and forend. Now to decide on a scope and have to get dies
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 13, 2023 18:37:49 GMT -5
Huey.... thanks for some distinctions of Contender T1, T2, T3, and T4.
The 7mm TCU must come under T3. During a visit with Warren Center and Ken French at the factory in 1979, Warren said the 7mm TCU was on a frame improved to match voluminous fire in IHMSA competition. Also, said Warren T/C would replace free any frame worn out from shooting. IHMSA competitors kept T/C mechanics busy at the big championships. Near as I could tell, issues were minor, with few parts breakages, with problems on the firing line mostly attributable to insufficiently resized bottleneck brass. This is understandable, as the tip-open action hasn’t the flex-free solidity of a bolt action, requiring for the tip-open single shot a hair more sizing at the shoulder to satisfy reliability. Among receiver types, the bolt owns camping power.
I’m the primitive among Contender shooters, and when Warren Center invited me to Rochester, New Hampshire to see a pistol aimed at Production & Unlimited category competition, he already knew my respect for Wes Ugalde and my severance for a good revolver as the alter of reliability with his intention to bring smiles with a single shot. I was impressed. The Contender, most especially the 7mm TCU put major silhouette performance in both Production and Unlimited category competition into the Blue Collar hands, coming in with the same frame and great trigger to cover with two barrels Production, Standing, and Unlimited silhouette categories.
While this thread treats directly to velocity cartridges, the librarian 7mm Thompson/Center Ugalde re-wrote podium performance among production single shots in steel shooting.
The more information we are able to cast on the T/C Contender on Singleactions, the better we are all served. David Bradshaw
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 13, 2023 18:45:21 GMT -5
I've shot a lot of 7 TCU and 257 TCU (also called the 25 TCU). Both are excellent rounds.
I've got several sets of excellent 7 TCU Dies I wish somebody wanted.
Interestingly enough, the only frame I ever saw stretched was with a 7 TCU.
At this point, the only 40° Rimless Cartridge in my barrel selection is the 223 Ackley.
They can be quite difficult to get in and out of the chamber with the small diameter, no taper walls.
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Post by contender on Jan 13, 2023 21:45:56 GMT -5
As I munch popcorn,, my hands start a little twitch,, and my mind is oiling the gears. The idea of a 7 TCU has been in & out of my feeble mind more than once. I've resisted getting one more than once. (I'm a 7x30 Waters fan.) But I my gears engage my radical thinking part of my brain and keep telling me; "You should try one!" So, maybe I should get those dies, (cheaply) from Encore64,, and let that be the seed that grows into a 7TCU barrel for my bunch.
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Post by pacecars on Jan 13, 2023 21:59:19 GMT -5
I keep thinking about Gary’s wildcats based on the .204 Ruger
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