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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 17, 2022 15:50:48 GMT -5
I did and couldn’t find what I wanted, maybe my googlefoo isn’t as experienced as yours!!! By the way, where in those two links did you find base and case head measurements, or even a reference to 500WE in the SAAMI link,…….I must have missed it in there??? Trapr |
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Post by biff on Mar 17, 2022 15:51:12 GMT -5
The reaming etc would be AFTER the fireforming operation. At that point, you would end up with the same thickness as you would have with 500we brass, which would depend on the chamber dimensions of your gun. I measured a dozen different mags and got all between 530 and 535 on the belts and 510 to 515 on the case walls. If I had a we, I wouldn't think twice about fireforming a handful of cut offs, then reaming them to 502 just the depth the bullet needs.
A little bit of caution would be prudent tho. If the chambers are larger that .525 in front of the belt ridge, I wouldn't mess with .530 belted brass.
Rum brass could be swaged and cut but its almost as hard to get as 500we brass at this point, so moot.
Swaging a belt and turning the rim of smith or jrh is probably the best route
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 17, 2022 16:59:13 GMT -5
No, the reaming has to be done before fire-forming. Even 0.515" Magnum brass in front of the belt is too small. With 0.515", you're at best 0.006 - 0.007" wall thickness post-reaming. And that assumes a dead concentric reaming job (which doesn't happen....you always get a thou or so of runout). Moreover, belted magnum brass is going to be 0.013" - 0.015" under the chamber diameter just ahead of the belt. It won't blow out. You're at the top of the web. That portion of the case can't expand that much. And if it did, there goes the belt. If it could be done on standard magnum brass, we would've heard about it by now. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a tiem" |
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 17, 2022 17:58:37 GMT -5
When that cartridge was introduced, it was in many articles that the brass wasn't based on any existing cartridge.
What Lee is saying makes good sense. Best case scenario is you end up with a 500 Magnum with a wall thickness of a 44-40 WCF.
Internal capacity would be reduced quite a bit too. Thin walls and reduced capacity does not add up for a good outcome.
FA83s are strong guns. But, this idea adds up to disaster...
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Post by kevshell on Mar 17, 2022 18:08:05 GMT -5
Bullet components are widely available for the WE because of the 500 S&W. Putting the defibrillator paddles on this cartridge seems like an easy win to me. Big Horn launched the 500 Automax and the 350 legend is a reinvented 357 Max. The 32 Super Carry seems to be the rage (not to me). Seems to me if they wanted it bad enough they could make it happen.
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Post by maxcactus on Mar 17, 2022 22:20:13 GMT -5
That made my eyes water! While having something different and less-common can be fun, there is a lot of value to be found in ubiquity, or at least some level of commonality. $7.60/ea? Oof! |
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Post by jfs on Mar 17, 2022 22:39:49 GMT -5
When that cartridge was introduced, it was in many articles that the brass wasn't based on any existing cartridge. |
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 18, 2022 0:50:52 GMT -5
No easy solution to this... 500JRH was the easy solution |
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Post by jfs on Mar 18, 2022 14:03:04 GMT -5
500JRH was the easy solution |
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 18, 2022 15:14:46 GMT -5
If they can't supply brass the they should be offering the 500 special cylinders for near free and talking to Starline about some small rim brass
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 18, 2022 17:42:20 GMT -5
If they can't supply brass the they should be offering the 500 special cylinders for near free and talking to Starline about some small rim brass 500JRH is infinitely better than 500 Special for that revolver |
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 19, 2022 3:09:40 GMT -5
If they can't supply brass the they should be offering the 500 special cylinders for near free and talking to Starline about some small rim brass 500JRH is infinitely better than 500 Special for that revolver True, but the special would avoid the ego issues and would only require a little reamer work to be a jrh. |
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Post by Big Bore on Mar 19, 2022 4:47:15 GMT -5
Very educational thread. Why anyone would choose this specific caliber knowing the said brass challenges, baffles me. Too many other half-inchers with readily available components.
Heck, I sometimes question my love for the 41 magnum but so far components haven’t been too hard to come by.
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Post by Fowler on Mar 19, 2022 8:19:47 GMT -5
I think to be fair to FA they could certainly never have predicted the ammo/component issues we are in today. Under “normal” circumstances someone like Starline probably would have picked up production of the brass by now. But we are certainly not in normal times and who knows when that might be again.
I sort of figured by now there would be some screaming deals out there on used 500WE guns but that doesnt seem to be true either…
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 19, 2022 8:22:50 GMT -5
the special would avoid the ego issues and would only require a little reamer work to be a jrh. 500 Special has the same rim diameter as 500 S&W Magnum, no good for the 83 The 500JRH has smaller rim diameter - which works in the 83 |
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