45dragoon
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Post by 45dragoon on Mar 16, 2022 8:09:06 GMT -5
Pick up a copy at Cabela's. That's what I did.
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Post by seminolewind on Mar 16, 2022 8:50:58 GMT -5
As Rey said, Guns and American Handgunner are still worth reading. And of course, Handloader.
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Post by JM on Mar 16, 2022 9:25:07 GMT -5
I’d like to purchase a printed copy of Volume #337 for Pearce’s article on the 45 Colt +P information but it’s not available anywhere near me. And, I’ve unable to figure out where/how to purchase the single copy online (IT knucklehead, here). Does anyone have a link? I don't think it is listed on the Back Issue page yet. I called & ordered one. Wolfe Publishing Company 2180 Gulfstream Suite A Prescott, AZ 86301 CALL US TOLL FREE 1.800.899.7810 |
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Post by Fowler on Mar 16, 2022 9:58:18 GMT -5
So why would you order a single issue for $10 from Handloader and not just get the whole years for $24.00? Just a thought, I have had a subscription from them for years and they are the only gun rag I get these days. The only other one I think is worth a hoot is Doublegun Journal but that is a whole different kettle of fish...
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Post by CraigC on Mar 18, 2022 9:34:09 GMT -5
Two thoughts relating to the article. 1) It flies in the face of what Dave Scovill has written for years about his favorite 17gr 2400/270gr load in the Colt SAA. 2) The Colt SAA has also been offered in .45ACP. So why wouldn't the same loads apply?
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 18, 2022 10:51:02 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the various generations.
I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k.
I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas.
But, steel makes a huge difference...
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Post by Sarge on Mar 18, 2022 11:19:30 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the different generations. I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k. I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas. But, steel makes a huge difference... For any smokeless rated 45 Colt I like Linebaugh's do-all load, 13 grains of HS6 and a 255 grain SWC with the biggest flattest schnozz I can get. I've also had good accuracy with the Lee 452-255-RF and 8.5 grains of Universal. Anything that can't be kilt with those, I'm giving a wide berth. |
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Post by sac on Mar 19, 2022 10:40:33 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the different generations. I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k. I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas. But, steel makes a huge difference... The cylinders on the Uberti's thicker and bigger diameter. From what he wrote in handloader, but figures when ever I try to find something I can't. |
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 19, 2022 10:57:13 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the different generations. I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k. I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas. But, steel makes a huge difference... The cylinders on the Uberti's thicker and bigger diameter. From what he wrote in handloader, but figures when ever I try to find something I can't. Except they're available in 45 ACP... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 11:27:13 GMT -5
IMHO, it's about lawyers and liability. As long as the SAAMI spec for 45 Colt is 14K you won't find a SAA manufacturer, like Uberti, that will admit that their guns can handle a higher pressure, even though the same gun can handle the 21K pressure of a 45acp. If the gun is stamped 45 Colt they will only recommend 14K loads. Completely understandable in the litigious society we live in.
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Post by CraigC on Mar 19, 2022 12:50:53 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the different generations. I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k. I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas. But, steel makes a huge difference... I never understood how they condoned converting S&W's, or even large frame Blackhawks to .460Rowland at 40,000psi. |
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 19, 2022 12:54:54 GMT -5
Well, opinions always differ. I think in this case it was easier to say don't use in the Colts than to differentiate between the different generations. I've read serious conflicting information about the S&W 25s. Some say don't exceed 45 ACP Levels, some say 30k is OK and some rechamber to 460 Rowland @ 40k. I found it interesting that the loads were recommended for Uberti, but not in Piettas. But, steel makes a huge difference... I never understood how they condoned converting S&W's, or even large frame Blackhawks to .460Rowland at 40,000psi. Neither do I... I won't go over 45 ACP Pressure (20-21k) in my 25s. I have both the 45 Colt and 45 ACP/Auto Rim. They DO NOT get hot loads. |
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Post by singleaction on Mar 19, 2022 22:56:39 GMT -5
Two thoughts relating to the article. 1) It flies in the face of what Dave Scovill has written for years about his favorite 17gr 2400/270gr load in the Colt SAA. 2) The Colt SAA has also been offered in .45ACP. So why wouldn't the same loads apply? Back in the 90’s, a very good friend had John Linebaugh build him a 4.75” tight chambered 45 colt New Frontier. His standard load uses the old Lyman/Keith SWC at over 900fps, but he also has a hunting load using the old Redding/Saeco 300gr SWCGC running over 1000fps. I don’t recall what powders he used, but Linebaugh turned him on to both loads. I’m sure the 300gr load has to be in the 23k range. I guess my point is that such loads have been used for a while, and Linebaugh built several such guns back in the day, rechambering 357 and 44 spl colt cylinders. Scoville warned against such loads mostly because they caused premature wear( especially in a SAA and such), and he thought they were just unnecessary. |
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 20, 2022 6:44:13 GMT -5
No doubt proper fitting, type of steel, hardening, etc all play a part of strength. At very least duration of life before shooting loose.
Comparing a SAA and a Ruger SRH seems a stretch. But, study the path Ruger used before landing on using Carpenter 465 for cylinders.
Unfortunately, people get stuck on the first information they get. They read that Colt Gen 1 Guns are weak and they're stuck. Now, anything that looks like a Colt SAA is weak.
Uberti Guns are cheaper than Colts. So, they must be made of inferior materials and will fail before the first cylinder is emptied, Right? Before long assumptions become facts.
It's a lifetime of study and sometimes painful. But, it makes our world go around...
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Post by 45MAN on Mar 20, 2022 7:12:56 GMT -5
IN A WORLD WITH RUGER AND FA 45 COLTS THERE IS NO NEED/REASON TO PUSH THE COLT SAA IN 45 COLT.
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