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Post by boxhead on Feb 5, 2022 22:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Feb 5, 2022 22:49:13 GMT -5
I believe one of our members has one of those as well, and was looking at moving it down the road.
Trapr
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Post by 45MAN on Feb 6, 2022 9:21:53 GMT -5
I HAVE A SL-7 IN 308, CLAW MOUNT, AND SEVERAL MAGAZINES. ALSO HAS AN OLDER ZEISS FIXED 4X ON IT (INCREDIBLE GLASS), A REAL "GERMANIC" SET UP. A GREAT SHOOTER GOING TO WASTE IN THE HANDS OF A HANDGUNNER.
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Post by starmetal47 on Feb 6, 2022 11:53:14 GMT -5
I posted earlier of an HK 940 I picked up at my LGS. Well today, not ten miles away, I stumbled on the HK SL-7 308 Win at another LGS. Both consignment guns and very fairly priced. It looks to have spent a fair bit in a safe or closet... By the looks of that buttpad that one set in the gunsafe a LONG time!     |
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Post by x101airborne on Feb 7, 2022 8:00:08 GMT -5
Oh how I wish I had it. Good on ya!
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Post by rjm52 on Feb 7, 2022 21:57:27 GMT -5
Nice shooting guns...my shooting partner when I was with DPD had one...used it on our first pig hunt back in the 1980s... I think they were originally made for the German Boarder Guard Units rather than give them the full auto HK91s...
There was a long barrel sporting rifle version of this gun in .30-06 I believe...may have just been a .308. Have also seen the .223 and .22 Magnum versions of this rifle...
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 8, 2022 8:18:30 GMT -5
Nice shooting guns...my shooting partner when I was with DPD had one...used it on our first pig hunt back in the 1980s... I think they were originally made for the German Boarder Guard Units rather than give them the full auto HK91s... There was a long barrel sporting rifle version of this gun in .30-06 I believe...may have just been a .308. Have also seen the .223 and .22 Magnum versions of this rifle... ***** Boxhead.... that old recoil pad is an add-on. Believe this is the same action as the Heckler & Koch 770 hunting rifle, probably the most reliable, non-military, semi-auto made. Far better than the Remington M-742 & 7400 series and like-minded Browning BAR generations. Yet, not mechanism to finger-strip after dropping it in the sand. Reckon this paramilitary-looking HK and HK 770 share the same trigger; the 770 trigger breaks lighter, cleaner than either Remington or Browning, and its shares the generous HK trigger guard for access in severe cold. In my experience HK roller-locked rifles handle handloads with far greater reliability than the Remington and Browning gas guns, and vastly better than the FN FAL with tilt-lock bolt. The HK 91 is the most forgiving of semi-auto .308’s, just about unstoppable. The HK 770 is more complex than the HK 91, and lacks the l-o-n-g, 2.9-inch BOLT OVERTRAVEL of the 91----which functions through a broad pressure & velocity spectrum. As a hunting rifle, the HK 91 suffers from weight and a gorilla trigger. To keep top military reliability in .308 with light trigger and light weight, the Valmet copy of Mihail Kalashnikov’s 1947 tops my list, with the Galil Kalashnikov next. Both Valet Kalashnikov and Galil Kalashnikov possess accuracy to compliment its aperture rear sight, and both peeps are better than the HK. The HK drum aperture may survive a fall out of an airplane better than Valet and Galil peeps, but you do not want to get in a duel with a good M-1 man and its peep. I like the Belgian FN FAL better than any re-make, but it remains heavy, and a poor handload proposition. The M-1 Garand and M-14, two easy-clean rifles of excellent reliability & accuracy; which, unfortunately, cannot be made into featherweights. David Bradshaw |
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Post by starmetal47 on Feb 9, 2022 13:39:21 GMT -5
Nice shooting guns...my shooting partner when I was with DPD had one...used it on our first pig hunt back in the 1980s... I think they were originally made for the German Boarder Guard Units rather than give them the full auto HK91s... There was a long barrel sporting rifle version of this gun in .30-06 I believe...may have just been a .308. Have also seen the .223 and .22 Magnum versions of this rifle... ***** Boxhead.... that old recoil pad is an add-on. Believe this is the same action as the Heckler & Koch 770 hunting rifle, probably the most reliable, non-military, semi-auto made. Far better than the Remington M-742 & 7400 series and like-minded Browning BAR generations. Yet, not mechanism to finger-strip after dropping it in the sand. Reckon this paramilitary-looking HK and HK 770 share the same trigger; the 770 trigger breaks lighter, cleaner than either Remington or Browning, and its shares the generous HK trigger guard for access in severe cold. In my experience HK roller-locked rifles handle handholds with far greater reliability than the Remington and Browning gas guns, and vastly better than the FN FAL with tilt-lock bolt. The HK 91 is the most forgiving of semi-auto .308’s, just about unstoppable. The HK 770 is more complex than the HK 91, and lacks the l-o-n-g,2.9" BOLT OVERTRAVEL of the 91----which functions through a broad pressure spectrum. As a hunting rifle, the HK 91 suffers from weight and a gorilla trigger. To keep top military reliability in .308 with light trigger and light weight, the Valmet copy of Mihail Kalashnikov’s 1947 tops my list, with the Galil Kalashnikov next. I like the Belgian FN FAL better than any re-make, but it remains heavy, and a poor handload proposition. The M-1 Garand and M-14, two easy-clean rifles of excellent reliability & accuracy; which, unfortunately, cannot be made into featherweights. David Bradshaw David this is somewhat off topic, but you'll understand as I explain it. I'm sure that you are familiar with the CZ 52 and Russian Tokarev pistols. The CZ 52 is a very robust pistol weighing some two pound. The Tokarev on the other hand is petite and fairly light weight for an all steel pistol. The CZ is a vertical roller delayed blow back system whereas the Tokarev is basically a Browning 1911 system. Both have been produced in 7.62x25 and 9mm. In your opinion which do you think is the stronger pistol of the two? Also I would like to know what you said the FN FAL is a poor handload proposition. |
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Post by potatojudge on Feb 9, 2022 14:28:09 GMT -5
CZ52 has a thin chamber limiting its strength and making the Tokarev the stronger of the two. Separate issue from the roller locking mechanism which seems to do well unless you get a bad roller, but there are (were at least) high quality replacements available.
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Post by starmetal47 on Feb 9, 2022 16:19:13 GMT -5
Well I have a well to do physicist acquaintance that blow's firearms up to record data on their strenghts and weakenesses. The Tokareve far exceeds the CZ 52, but not because of chamber weakeness, but the CZ's roller system. The problem area are the recesses in the slide for the rollers. The slides crack in that area when pressures get high. He said, which he has done and myself as well, you can chamber out a Tokarev to 9x23 and you hand will give out far before reaching dangerous pressures. Actually I shoot 38 Supers from mine. I think they are a neat lightweight package and a good carry pistol.
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 9, 2022 18:54:06 GMT -5
Todd and starmetal.... brass fired in an autoloader has much shorter reloading life than in a bolt action with front locking lugs. Of the rifles named I experienced head separations and incipient head separations on as early as the FIRST RELOAD in the FAL. The HK’s longitudinally-serrated chamber did not doom brass, nor did the roller-locked bolt produced head separations. Brass reloaded four times for the HK 91 was lost before it failed. I filed the rim off a .308 to see if it would stick in the chamber. It did not. Instead, it ejected perfectly.
I owned a WW II Tokarev. Simple, compact pistol firing the 7.62x25mm----the Russian’s submachine gun round through the Great Patriotic War, a small, high-velocity pill which easily penetrates some body armor. On the other hand, the CZ 52, of same 7.62x25mm, strikes me as an over-engineered brick. I’ve fired a CZ 52 which produced military grade pistol accuracy, and another which I’d feel just as good throwing.
David Bradshaw
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Post by starmetal47 on Feb 9, 2022 21:18:34 GMT -5
Todd and starmetal.... brass fired in an autoloader has much shorter reloading life than in a bolt action with front locking lugs. Of the rifles named I experienced head separations and incipient head separations on as early as the FIRST RELOAD in the FAL. The HK’s longitudinally-serrated chamber did not doom brass, nor did the roller-locked bolt produced head separations. Brass reloaded four times for the HK 91 was lost before it failed. I filed the rim off a .308 to see if it would stick in the chamber. It did not. Instead, it ejected perfectly. I owned a WW II Tokarev. Simple, compact pistol firing the 7.62x25mm----the Russian’s submachine gun round through the Great Patriotic War, a small, high-velocity pill which easily penetrates some body armor. On the other hand, the CZ 52, of same 7.62x25mm, strikes me as an over-engineered brick. I’ve fired a CZ 52 which produced military grade pistol accuracy, and another which I’d feel just as good throwing. David Bradshaw David some of the semi auto rifles I have owned that were of the tilting bolt design are the SKS, the French MAS 49/56, FN 49, a friend FN FAL, and ironicaly a 30 Luger pistol made by Benilli. Yes it had a fixed barrel and tilting block breech bolt. The slide was merely a steel channel cover. With that said I've not noticed any of the things that you stated. I have definitely never had a case separation, nor a case that showed excessive headspace problems or a case bulge. While we are on this subject I think that the staying you have to small base size cases for semi automatic rifles has a lot of horse hockey mixed in with it. Those rifles mentioned above, inaddition to my M1 Garand, M1A Match Sprinfield, AR10's, AR15's, and Model 81 Remington have all been fired with neck sized only cases with nary a problem!!!!!!! I'm serious, not chambering or extraction problems. |
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Post by boxhead on Feb 9, 2022 21:50:16 GMT -5
My previously mentioned 30-06.   |
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Post by boxhead on Feb 10, 2022 21:08:07 GMT -5
I took the 308 out today to sight it in. It shot great and is ready for an upcoming hog hunt.
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