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Post by bushog on Sept 7, 2021 13:37:59 GMT -5
Think that schoefield would be a good option in the 45 Colt cylinder of the OM .357 conversion David is building? Pros and cons between it and simply sticking mostly to the 45 AR cylinder? For me, the Pro would be easily matching the power of the 45 Colt without restricting the bullet selection so much. The Con would be not being able to use 45 ACP like you can in the Auto Rim... The gun has both cylinders.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2021 13:44:44 GMT -5
Then just see how the Schofield shoots in the Colt Cylinder. Just like shooting a 44 Special in a 44 Magnum revolver. Every revolver has a personality and nothing takes the place of a bench for learning...
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Post by RDW on Sept 7, 2021 15:28:54 GMT -5
Then just see how the Schofield shoots in the Colt Cylinder. Just like shooting a 44 Special in a 44 Magnum revolver. Every revolver has a personality and nothing takes the place of a bench for learning... This particular cylinder was made for schofield and 45 Special type lengths because if i used a standard length 45 long colt i would have to jam that mammy full of Nitro and it would no longer be fun to shoot. Hahahahahaha! Cant help it man, im just silly like that. But ya i wanted to set the front site for 230 to 250 grains or so about 900 fps and be able to swap over to cheapo 230 ball acp.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2021 15:53:03 GMT -5
Then just see how the Schofield shoots in the Colt Cylinder. Just like shooting a 44 Special in a 44 Magnum revolver. Every revolver has a personality and nothing takes the place of a bench for learning... This particular cylinder was made for schofield and 45 Special type lengths because if i used a standard length 45 long colt i would have to jam that mammy full of Nitro and it would no longer be fun to shoot. Hahahahahaha! Cant help it man, im just silly like that. But ya i wanted to set the front site for 230 to 250 grains or so about 900 fps and be able to swap over to cheapo 230 ball acp. The Ruger Rear Sight Blades come in three heights. I usually get the front sight set for the middle height blade. Gives me lots wo wiggle room.
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Post by RDW on Sept 7, 2021 15:58:44 GMT -5
This particular cylinder was made for schofield and 45 Special type lengths because if i used a standard length 45 long colt i would have to jam that mammy full of Nitro and it would no longer be fun to shoot. Hahahahahaha! Cant help it man, im just silly like that. But ya i wanted to set the front site for 230 to 250 grains or so about 900 fps and be able to swap over to cheapo 230 ball acp. The Ruger Rear Sight Blades come in three heights. I usually get the front sight set for the middle height blade. Gives me lots wo wiggle room. Im With Ya Brother. This one was just fixed rear so you know me. Just wanted to be different. Hahaha
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2021 16:05:00 GMT -5
The Ruger Rear Sight Blades come in three heights. I usually get the front sight set for the middle height blade. Gives me lots wo wiggle room. Im With Ya Brother. This one was just fixed rear so you know me. Just wanted to be different. Hahaha I'm the same way. Currently having an 5-Shot Oversized Cylinder 44-40 built. So, you have stiff competition for being illogical...
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Post by squawberryman on Sept 8, 2021 4:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by Aeroscout on Sept 8, 2021 10:40:36 GMT -5
Wow that is something there.
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Post by Fowler on Sept 8, 2021 11:11:17 GMT -5
I know Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore runs 45 Schofield brass and 325gr bullets together and likes them. He did it because of the obvious issues with the short cylinder and long nosed bullets and insisting on crimping in the crimp groove of the bullet. If you know anything about the man you know he like to run most of his guns on the warm side shall we say and worries about bullets jumping the crimp an tying his gun up when he most needs it, like when a bear is trying to chew on him in the Idaho back country. No his load is not available for sale and probably only sensible in FA 97 guns (I doubt FA would agree though), but there was a practical reason for it.
You decide of this info helps here or not, but in a 3 screw mid framed flat top of a S&W 28 with their short cylinders it certainly would make bullet selection somewhat simpler...
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2021 11:40:32 GMT -5
All information is helpful. Definitely looking like a good candidate for a Midframe Flattop Build.
I realize the Schofield will fire in the 45 Colt Chamber. But, I'd rather have that line bored cylinder throat start at the case mouth.
Thanks to all for the input...
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Post by dougader on Sept 8, 2021 11:52:08 GMT -5
Do any of you have the Starline 45 Schofield brass in hand? How does it fit in the mid-frame Ruger Vaquero, flattop, etc? I only ask because of the description on the Starline webpage:
"45 Schofield is similar to the 45 Colt. Differences include head diameter approximately .010" larger, case length is 1.090" to 1.100" compared to 1.273" to 1.283" in the .45 Colt. Substantially less internal capacity for shooting light loads in most 45 Colt guns with no modifications. You may need to tune extractor on some lever action rifles, or decrease diameter of the ratchet on the cylinder by .010 to accommodate the larger head diameter in Ruger Vaquero and Colts. Also increases magazine capacity in rifles.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2021 12:03:13 GMT -5
Do any of you have the Starline 45 Schofield brass in hand? How does it fit in the mid-frame Ruger Vaquero, flattop, etc? I only ask because of the description on the Starline webpage: "45 Schofield is similar to the 45 Colt. Differences include head diameter approximately .010" larger, case length is 1.090" to 1.100" compared to 1.273" to 1.283" in the .45 Colt. Substantially less internal capacity for shooting light loads in most 45 Colt guns with no modifications. You may need to tune extractor on some lever action rifles, or decrease diameter of the ratchet on the cylinder by .010 to accommodate the larger head diameter in Ruger Vaquero and Colts. Also increases magazine capacity in rifles.I have tried it and it works fine in the 45 Colt Chambers from the factory...
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Post by bobwright on Sept 8, 2021 12:28:21 GMT -5
Think that schoefield would be a good option in the 45 Colt cylinder of the OM .357 conversion David is building? Pros and cons between it and simply sticking mostly to the 45 AR cylinder? For me, the Pro would be easily matching the power of the 45 Colt without restricting the bullet selection so much. The Con would be not being able to use 45 ACP like you can in the Auto Rim... I have cut .45 Colt cases that have neck splits to the same OAL as the .45 ACP. I called thes .45 Xtra Short at first, but now use the name .45 S&W Special as that is the name S&W would have used had that cartridge (the .45 M1906) been adopted by the Army and marketed comercially. I fire these in my Ruger Blackhawks with the .45 ACP cylinder in place. And can use .45 ACP as well. And, they work pretty well: Bob Wright
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Post by tdbarton on Sept 8, 2021 14:24:50 GMT -5
Well…that’s pretty sweet, Mr Wright.
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Post by bushog on Sept 8, 2021 15:06:37 GMT -5
Do any of you have the Starline 45 Schofield brass in hand? How does it fit in the mid-frame Ruger Vaquero, flattop, etc? I only ask because of the description on the Starline webpage: "45 Schofield is similar to the 45 Colt. Differences include head diameter approximately .010" larger, case length is 1.090" to 1.100" compared to 1.273" to 1.283" in the .45 Colt. Substantially less internal capacity for shooting light loads in most 45 Colt guns with no modifications. You may need to tune extractor on some lever action rifles, or decrease diameter of the ratchet on the cylinder by .010 to accommodate the larger head diameter in Ruger Vaquero and Colts. Also increases magazine capacity in rifles.Yup...I saw that old discussion. It doesn't work in all of them
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