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Post by x101airborne on Aug 1, 2021 8:25:57 GMT -5
In the handgun thread "If I want to hunt with a handgun" Mr. Gibson touched on his thoughts of a German #4 or #1 reticle in a scope (I seriously dont know the difference between the two). He commented that the German post reticle draws the eye to the center for quick shots on game. I have long agreed with his assessment and have almost requested Leupold make me a reticle. I would love to see the German post reticle installed upside down. Now before the pitchforks and torches come out, let me explain... With the reticle upside down, your drop for long range would be unobstructed, yet you would retain the ability to drop the wire to the top of the animals back for a quick running or low light shot. The distance between the point of the post and the wire is just about right to center the chest on a whitetail at 100 yards. On black hogs in low light it is the same proposition; no need to find the top of the post, just find the wire.
I would also like to see one thin wire below the point of the post some distance away for longer shots and a fine sight picture. For example the point of the post is set at 100 yards, the second mark is 250 yards for rifle A using a certain load. All of that to be figured out by the individual shooter with an individual rifle and load. I think once a shooter got used to it, I dont think they could live without it. What say you?
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 1, 2021 11:21:58 GMT -5
In the handgun thread "If I want to hunt with a handgun" Mr. Gibson touched on his thoughts of a German #4 or #1 reticle in a scope (I seriously dont know the difference between the two). He commented that the German post reticle draws the eye to the center for quick shots on game. I have long agreed with his assessment and have almost requested Leupold make me a reticle. I would love to see the German post reticle installed upside down. Now before the pitchforks and torches come out, let me explain... With the reticle upside down, your drop for long range would be unobstructed, yet you would retain the ability to drop the wire to the top of the animals back for a quick running or low light shot. The distance between the point of the post and the wire is just about right to center the chest on a whitetail at 100 yards. On black hogs in low light it is the same proposition; no need to find the top of the post, just find the wire. I would also like to see one thin wire below the point of the post some distance away for longer shots and a fine sight picture. For example the point of the post is set at 100 yards, the second mark is 250 yards for rifle A using a certain load. All of that to be figured out by the individual shooter with an individual rifle and load. I think once a shooter got used to it, I dont think they could live without it. What say you? ***** Trey.... here I’m trying to get sweaty and coat myself with grit, and you raise the RETICLE issue. German #4The German #4 reticle is my all-time favorite: three square bars----6, 9 & 3 o’clock----with standard crossfire in the middle. The three posts THROW your eye to the middle, where your bullet is headed. Schmidt & Bender made the old German #4 reticle a mainstay of their incredible glass and forced the world to take notice. Leupold offers the German #4 as an option and I’ve used such for decades. German #1The German #1 reticle features a picket fence @ 6 o’clock, with a crosswire from 9 to 3 o’clock. Unlike the Washington Monument, the German #1 has parallel sides----untapered. Same chiseled point on top. I’ve seen the crosswire at the point, but more often intersecting the shoulder of the point[/u. Russian snipers killed thousands of German soldiers with this reticle. I suspect Wehrmacht snipers killed thousands of Russians with similar reticle.
Leupold offers the German #1 as an option, and I use it on the Leupold 2-3/4x28mm IER (Intermediate Eye Relief) on a Freedom Arms .454 4-3/4”. I shoot the “scout scope” eye relief from Weaver stance. The shorter eye relief is a bit easier to use at dusk. Near dark a scope close to the eye transmits light much better than a long eye relief. I tried it as an experiment and it’s still on the revolver.
I want POI (Point of Impact) at the point of a German #1. Thus, a crossfire through the shoulders of the post is not an ELEVATION INDEX until well downrange. Dick williams at Leupold told me I made a terrible choice to use the German #1 in the Scout scope. He may have been right. It’s at the opposite end of the seesaw from a bench rest reticle.
Mil Dot
I should have asked Leupold to put a Mil Dot in my 2.5-8x LER, would have simplified Kentucky out yonder.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 1, 2021 19:41:15 GMT -5
I agree with David, the German #4 and it’s illuminated variants is my all time favorite hunting reticle, I am so glad Burris offers it as of last year on many of their scopes, it is an unlisted option for those of you interested.
I’ve often thought a #1 would make a great low light or night time reticle for use with night vision goggles, when chasing pigs at night with handguns.
Trapr
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Post by pacecars on Aug 1, 2021 20:01:56 GMT -5
I use the #4 on my rifles. Another favorite it the Trijicon illuminated triangle on top of a post. I wasn’t sure I would like it but using it changed my mind
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 1, 2021 21:57:24 GMT -5
A danger of underlinning a few words on this format is to have the whole text underlined.
David Bradshaw
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Post by nicholst55 on Aug 2, 2021 0:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by rjm52 on Aug 2, 2021 5:51:57 GMT -5
The Burris 2-7 SCOUT and handgun scopes are basically identical. They have a Duplex and Ballistic-Drop reticles available. Have never used the scope on a handgun but now have them mounted on most of my "Scout" style rifles...and they are excellent.
I have several of the original 60's vintage Leupold M8-2X scopes, the real early ones without an adjustable ocular ring. They were available in Duplex, crosshair and a Post and Duplex that was my favorite. I had to send one of them back for service that had a crosshair and asked if they could change it out for a Post and Duplex...unfortunately they didn't have any left but were able to change it out for a Duplex...
Bob
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