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Post by bearskinner on Jul 9, 2021 10:06:28 GMT -5
Murphy's Law being what it is... when I travel to hunt I put 20 rifle and 50 handgun cartridges in every bag I take. If the guns make it and a bag doesn't, I am not without any ammunition. I did learn this the hard way once. Good thing regular 280 Remington ammo can be fired in a 280 Ackley chamber; just needed a little tweak of the scope. Otherwise I would have had to borrow a rifle and ammo till mine showed up. Doesn't make you look good to those you hunt with. Or at least I felt that way at the time. [/quote]
Going overseas you must declare you round count, and are limited to a certain weight. You declare how many rounds going in, and they count your brass going out. 20 revolver and 20 single shot rounds are close to max weight, and will be in a separate locked box in my luggage. Not as easy as driving down to Montana hunting.
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Post by messybear on Jul 9, 2021 12:46:55 GMT -5
After shooting numerous bison with all kinds of bullets, and most of these weighing 800-1000, my optimum senerio would be a softnose cast running 1200-1300 shot in shoulder pocket avoiding big bones but hoping to hit them on the way out. A shot at slight angle with 510 diameter is nothing short of splendid. Usually immediate blood sometimes gushing like a hose. That takes out the major vessels. It results in the fastest kills we have seen. Like hop a couple times and down. I’m talking the complete spectrum from solids all the way to the fragile golden bear hollow points. The gb hollow points were spectacular but you had to be careful as they were quite fragile.
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Post by messybear on Jul 9, 2021 12:55:04 GMT -5
And the lightest bullets I used in 510 were the 400 gb. I don’t like anything under for hunting. The big calibers need weight or you lose too much penetration.
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450ak
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Post by 450ak on Jul 9, 2021 13:53:22 GMT -5
Messy bear has killed a pile of bison with sixguns. I’ve killed a smaller pile and mostly with my 51 caliber target revolver. A 450 grain Keith at a thousand feet per second goes through. I do not remember recovering one in a carcass. One very quick kill was a 270 saa straight in from the front. She was instantly falling and dead in seconds. That was out of a short Vaquero and 16 grains of 2400. Messy bear and I should have started a notebook and keep a record of all the bison killed, calibers, bullets and loads if known.
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Post by leftysixgun on Jul 9, 2021 14:39:50 GMT -5
ID BUY THAT NOTE BOOK!!! I dont have NEAR the experience these guys (450ak and Messybear) have but I have seen a couple of my own cast go thru and kill in short order some of the tough game in my area. K.I.S.S. I am and have always been (other than prairie dogs) one to shoot a heavier per caliber bullet at game. I have NEVER recovered my bullets.
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Post by 450ak on Jul 9, 2021 16:31:24 GMT -5
We recovered a 450 grain Keith from a picket pin one evening. Guess why!!!!! Because it wasn’t hard cast? It wasn’t and alphabet bullet? Extreme range? Hmmmm, wish that was on video
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 11, 2021 10:57:10 GMT -5
I cast 350, 400, 440 and 500 grain bullets for the 500L and 50AK. I know cast solids work well. Even the 350’s blow thru bears, moose and hogs. They work well on heavy critters and drive thru bone and tissue. I am searching for massive tissue damage, on impact, while only needing 30” of penetration. There are no large bones on big cats. I will start some testing some original Barnes in 510 as well, and a couple new soft nose entry’s for the .454. Problem is finding soft bullets to try. I’m thankful for friends that have sent me soft points to test.
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Post by jwp475 on Jul 11, 2021 11:25:41 GMT -5
I cast 350, 400, 440 and 500 grain bullets for the 500L and 50AK. I know cast solids work well. Even the 350’s blow thru bears, moose and hogs. They work well on heavy critters and drive thru bone and tissue. I am searching for massive tissue damage, on impact, while only needing 30” of penetration. There are no large bones on big cats. I will start some testing some original Barnes in 510 as well, and a couple new soft nose entry’s for the .454. Problem is finding soft bullets to try. I’m thankful for friends that have sent me soft points to test. Cast some soft nose bullets. Pour the first 1/2 of the bullet with pure soft lead and the 1/2 with hard cast
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Post by leftysixgun on Jul 11, 2021 16:02:44 GMT -5
I cast 350, 400, 440 and 500 grain bullets for the 500L and 50AK. I know cast solids work well. Even the 350’s blow thru bears, moose and hogs. They work well on heavy critters and drive thru bone and tissue. I am searching for massive tissue damage, on impact, while only needing 30” of penetration. There are no large bones on big cats. I will start some testing some original Barnes in 510 as well, and a couple new soft nose entry’s for the .454. Problem is finding soft bullets to try. I’m thankful for friends that have sent me soft points to test. Why do you want/need “massive tissue damage, on impact”? What about using one of the MIha HP molds? In my experience the PENTA shape HP has pretty explosive results on impact and the shank still penetrates very well.
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Post by messybear on Jul 11, 2021 18:17:15 GMT -5
I and friends have been hunting with revolvers since about 1983. I have dug around and inspected most animals that were harvested. And boned that meat out. That’s were you really see what the shot did. Sometimes we had 4 or 5 deer tags per year. And antelope. And other various vermin shot year round. All calibers 44 and up. Most probably shot with 454 hollow points in 260 and 300 gr. And some wfns. All at 1600 FPS and up in 454. I was blown away by the damage done to these critters when I started messing with expanding cast either penta point or just soft cast or soft nose. These things are doing more damage than say a 260 hollow point at 18 or 1900. And this at 12-1300. I wouldn’t have believed it. On big deer sized game there is a longer bigger wound. A 454 will really turn a prairie dog inside out with 250-260 hollow points at 1800. But then we been using a 310 cast penta point at 1200 for hundreds of dogs these last few years. I can’t hardly tell any difference. Some are just totally destroyed. And this at 1200 FPS. So don’t discount what cast can do. And you can have a solid or two in there to back you up in case it’s needed.
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 11, 2021 18:35:43 GMT -5
The only HP mold I have in .510 is a 500 grain. Heavier than I want to use, as I want to be in the 350-400 range. I may just get a pile of my 440GC bullets, put them on a drill press, and make my own hollow points out of them. I should get the rest of the bullets, that buddies are mailing to me, and I’ll give them all a test. If I’m not satisfied with their performance, I’ll try the drill press method. The goal is to keep it to a weight and speed that will give me fast follow up shots if needed, as this hunt will most likely be at close and personal distances
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KRal
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Post by KRal on Jul 11, 2021 20:53:07 GMT -5
……. The goal is to keep it to a weight and speed that will give me fast follow up shots if needed, as this hunt will most likely be at close and personal distances Here….kitty…kitty…..
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Post by messybear on Jul 12, 2021 12:21:05 GMT -5
Sounds fun. Keep us posted with testing and all !
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Post by 45MAN on Jul 12, 2021 14:26:38 GMT -5
AN AFRICAN LION CAN RUN UP TO 50 mph, IT CAN LEAP OVER 30 FEET, AND IT CAN COVER 50 YARDS IN AROUND 2 SECONDS, PUCKER TIME.
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 12, 2021 14:45:14 GMT -5
I’m not going for a lung shot, and I don’t believe a side shot will present itself. At best a quartering shot either leading thru the shoulder, diagonally or slip it from behind the rib cage, and out the opposite shoulder. Hopefully break him down and inflict maximum disruption in the process. Then being able to fire again accurately and quickly, to pay the insurance.
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