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Post by bearskinner on May 15, 2021 13:06:15 GMT -5
Has anyone tried these bullets? I ordered up a couple boxes, as they look like they would be an awesome hinting revolver Bullet. I’m interested in performance of the .510 caliber, but any caliber would do if you have tried them.
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 15, 2021 14:25:54 GMT -5
For me the 350gr is a bit light for what I’d want a monometal bullet for. The 410gr solid is what I’m planning in using for a defensive/walking around load when in bear country.
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Post by bula on May 15, 2021 19:22:16 GMT -5
Hey Max ?
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Post by bearskinner on May 15, 2021 20:39:07 GMT -5
For me the 350gr is a bit light for what I’d want a monometal bullet for. The 410gr solid is what I’m planning in using for a defensive/walking around load when in bear country. Trapr It is a light frangible Bullet, but I’m thinking of using it on light animals. I do have a box of the 410 grain solids, to try on bigger critters. I just wonder how the pedals work on thinned skinned critters.
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 15, 2021 21:00:52 GMT -5
You might try the Barnes Originals .510 in 300gr. they work well on medium game. I’m thinking the mono 350’s might be good on bigger medium game, greater than 300 pounds, but I’d still want a raking shot. Although, I shot a medium sized pig with 275gr. XPB at almost 1600fps muzzle velocity, impact velocity was about 1200fps and did not get full penetration, bullet broke the skin on the off side and was hanging onto the skin. Pig was 180#ish, penetration was 20”-24” raking, bullet was .500 caliber, so maybe the 350gr. would be okay.
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 2, 2021 10:08:43 GMT -5
Reviving this thread as I just ordered the copper version of these Raptors to test also. I will do a lot of trap testing with various 1 gallon water jugs and plywood, alternating with a big box of sand to catch over penetrating bullets. I’m curious as to how and when the pedal shreds come off, and the overall performance of the copper and the brass versions. Bullets ordered .510 diameter, both 350 grain copper and brass. Has anyone used these on game if any size? Questions and opinions welcome. Hopefully testing will commence next week.
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Post by jfs on Jul 2, 2021 12:30:27 GMT -5
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Post by jwp475 on Jul 2, 2021 14:27:37 GMT -5
I tried the raptor in the 45 ACP on a small pig and the penetration was inadequate, and I couldn't find any indication of damage from the petals
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 2, 2021 15:09:38 GMT -5
The .510 diameter bullets are substantially heavier at 350 grains. The brass bullets appear to be heavier duty than the copper, but I will try both. I’ve shot lots of 350 grain lead bullets in the 500LINEBAUGH and penetration is not a concern at all, even with light loads. I imagine the 45ACP Bullet was about 200 grains? So the 350 grains are much heavier, a bit wider, and moving a bit faster. Need to get to testing to see that the hollow points do on impact.
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Post by jwp475 on Jul 2, 2021 15:34:13 GMT -5
The 45 ACP Raptor is 150 grains before the petals blow off. What are you shooting? I am asking to get an understanding of what type of penetration that you are getting
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 2, 2021 23:29:16 GMT -5
I’ll be using a scoped 500 Linebaugh, 5 shot revolver. An African Lion is 400-500 pounds. Not thick skinned or heavy boned. A solid will blow straight thru with no problem. I’m looking for lots of tissue damage and blowing thru the shoulder. I doubt a side shot will present itself, more than likely, 45 degree angles. The Optimum shot would be blow the shoulder, into the heart lung area, and full pass thru, with lots of eruption on initial impact.
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Post by x101airborne on Jul 7, 2021 8:13:36 GMT -5
Biggest game I have shot with a handgun has been 250 - 275 pound hogs. I only use cast bullets but I gave up on hollow points for raking shots. For "social distancing" I carry the first two chambers with hollow points but the next 4 are wide flat nose solids pushed hard. Hollow point loads are in nickel plated cases and the solids are in brass so I can look at the edge of the rims and know what is in que. This is just what works for me. If the hog is under 200 pounds I use the hollow points anyhow. If it is over 200, I cycle the revolver twice and go to work. I have not yet missed a chance at a hog for having to cycle the revolver to the heavy load. At 25 yards my hollow points are dead on and the heavies are about 3 inches high. Not enough difference to matter so I use the same sight picture.
Murphy's Law being what it is... when I travel to hunt I put 20 rifle and 50 handgun cartridges in every bag I take. If the guns make it and a bag doesn't, I am not without any ammunition. I did learn this the hard way once. Good thing regular 280 Remington ammo can be fired in a 280 Ackley chamber; just needed a little tweak of the scope. Otherwise I would have had to borrow a rifle and ammo till mine showed up. Doesn't make you look good to those you hunt with. Or at least I felt that way at the time.
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Post by messybear on Jul 8, 2021 21:12:04 GMT -5
Do you need to use a lead free bullet? I would just lean towards a soft nose cast of the proper alloy for speed. I am not a fan of the light for length monometal jobs with large mushrooms or petals that just peal off and not add to wound channel because it’s already a slow slug to start with. I like to retain weight because of low sectional density to begin with.
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Post by bearskinner on Jul 9, 2021 0:07:50 GMT -5
I believe everything in the 300 grain and heavier, will blow right thru easily. I will start testing over the weekend, starting with the two ( brass and copper) Raptors, and some original 300 grain Barnes soft points. I don’t think the 450 grain Barnes will flatten at all at handgun velocities.
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Post by jwp475 on Jul 9, 2021 9:39:31 GMT -5
I believe everything in the 300 grain and heavier, will blow right thru easily. I will start testing over the weekend, starting with the two ( brass and copper) Raptors, and some original 300 grain Barnes soft points. I don’t think the 450 grain Barnes will flatten at all at handgun velocities. As long as I had a wide meplat I'd call it good to go. Killed a lot of game with wide melatonin Hardcastle and always had large wound channels. I blew out a 3 to 4 inch hole through the lungs of a fallow deer with a wide meplat Hardcastle from the 500 JRH
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