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Post by 45MAN on Apr 24, 2021 5:35:44 GMT -5
Found this thread while looking for a 14/141, 8 or 81 for sale. Doesn't look like it will ever happen for me ($$) so I'll reluctantly trade/sell off my stash of .30 Rem stuff. I really think they are a piece of firearms history that should stick around though. I've got 140 pieces of new/never fired brass. 86 pieces of previously fired brass. A set of .30 Rem RCBS dies. Couldn't seem to find a "for sale" option on the site, but thought I'd throw it out there because I know how hard it can be to find now and figure I may a well if I'm not going to use it. If interested, texts are best (208) 691-1504. RUSTYPIG: GUYS USUALLY POST WTS STUFF LIKE THIS IN THE LOUNGE SECTION SO YOU MAY WANT TO POST AGAIN IN THE LOUNGE SECTION |
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 24, 2021 6:02:56 GMT -5
I had this model 8 in 35 Remington awhile back. It came out of the El Paso board patrol. I bought it in 1992 at a San Antonio gun show for $150. The internal parts were all worn out.....it took quite a bit of work to get it back operational again. Tony  ***** Had heard of these long magazines and Charles Askins, Jr., made mention them them. Curious as to whether Remington made a royalty arrangement with John Moses Browning to manufacture Browning’s LONG RECOIL autoloading rifle. The sleeved barrel mounting a coil spring makes for a hefty carbine of limited accuracy potential. Nevertheless, these were popular in the deer woods, with old timers toting them into the 1970’s. My late shooting partner, Ed Verge, had a Lyman catalog from before World War II, listing testimonials for Lyman peep sights. Among which a slayer brags of dropping four deer to once----thanks to the Lyman peep sight on his Remington Model 8. A couple of Browning innovations, introduced on his automatic shotgun of 1898 and his autoloading rifle of 1900, were borrowed by other great designers. John Garand incorporated the John Browning trigger for his M1 rifle; Mikhail Kalashnikov adopted the “dust cover” safety lever of the Model 8 for his Avtomat Kalashnikov 1947. Kalashnikov would have done well to use Browning’s trigger on the AK 47 to prevent doubling and inadvertent burst fire from semi-auto mode. But that would have meant more machine work, as Kalashnikov no doubt understood, complicating a rifle he designed for mass production under the worst wartime adversity. David Bradshaw |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Apr 24, 2021 10:01:33 GMT -5
The sleeved barrel mounting a coil spring makes for a hefty carbine of limited accuracy potential. |
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Post by nolongcolt on Apr 24, 2021 11:35:29 GMT -5
Remington paid for the rights to make the rifle in the states, while FN paid to make it in Belgium, the model 1900. JB had approached Winchester first with his plans, but they apparently were not interested in paying royalties, and told JB to take his shotgun and rifle plans and take a hike, ending the relationship between them.
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 24, 2021 16:53:52 GMT -5
The sleeved barrel mounting a coil spring makes for a hefty carbine of limited accuracy potential. ***** boolitdesigner.... please share some cast bullet loads for the Model 8 or 81. The rifles are beautifully made, avant guard (ground floor) developments in harnessing cartridge rifles to feed themselves. My reference in this realm, John Garand’s M1, tainted me forever, long before I got my hands on Browning’s Model 8. An M1 Garand raises the bar impossibly high for anything which came before, along with most attempts immediately thereafter. David Bradshaw |
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Post by nolongcolt on Apr 24, 2021 17:12:21 GMT -5
 Here is the one I just bought, home after the state mandated jail time of 10 days! Very nice overall shape, great bore, throat looks new, muzzle is tight. 1949 Model 81 .30 Remington. Hope to shoot it on Monday if all goes well. |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Apr 24, 2021 18:45:26 GMT -5
It's always interesting to see people say things like this. I, having had several 8's and 81's, have found them quite accurate for the style rifle they are. I shoot lead in them at full power. To date, a friend and I have gotten anywhere from 1 MOA to 2.5 MOA out of them in three calibers with lead. The ammo you feed them has a direct cause and effect on the accuracy you get. In trials of old 1950's and newer ammo (jacketed here in several time frames) the differences in accuracy can be quite astonishing. ***** boolitdesigner.... please share some cast bullet loads for the Model 8 or 81. The rifles are beautifully made, avant guard (ground floor) developments in harnessing cartridge rifles to feed themselves. My reference in this realm, John Garand’s M1, tainted me forever, long before I got my hands on Browning’s Model 8. An M1 Garand raises the bar impossibly high for anything which came before, along with most attempts immediately thereafter. David Bradshaw David- I'll give two examples: M81 in 300 Savage owned by friend. The MP 30 Sil. mold cast of 50% WW / 50% pure lead at about 730 degrees water dropped with two week cure and lubed with a soft lube (we each make our own). Load is a duplex load with Surplus 867 with a 4198 booster ( details not given here as most people can't follow instructions... BTDT too many times now). Basically a duplex booster (being a faster powder under a slow for the cartridge slower powder) is increased slowly (substitute the booster for the main charge slow powder in equal amounts) until the slower powder burns clean with accuracy. In this cartridge the load amount duplicates the starting load at the beginning of clean burning to close to a full load when accuracy is best for 4350 powder. This also works fine in the .308 Win. This relationship holds for cartridges (at like pressure levels) with this internal volume, but does not hold as the capacity increases a fair amount due to larger capacity cartridges don't see that powder as slow in full charges. The trick is using a slow powder FOR THE CARTRIDGE. This gives MOA accuracy in this rifle at range also. M81 in 35 Rem. The bullet is a MP 35 caliber 220 gr. bullet designed as a heavy bullet for the 35 Rem cast the same as above. I can't find the specific manual the load is recorded in, but I likely used either SR 4759 or RL 7 in it with the basic loads in the book. I don't duplex this one due to the lower pressure rating of the cartridge. These rifles all have beautifully cut deep rifling and are a lot of fun to shoot. |
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