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Post by junebug on Apr 1, 2021 7:50:44 GMT -5
Saw a Wildey pistol in 45 Win mag at a local shop , they also had a Striker in 308,and a Blackhawk Birdshead in 45 acp 45 colt if anyone is interested I can post a link.
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Post by lagrimas on Apr 2, 2021 12:30:56 GMT -5
Already have a Wildey in .45 Win Mag, but I'm curious as to the price. Seems you can't touch one for under $2K's these days.
You will hear horror stories, but in my experience the gas regulation system works quite well. You just have to get it dialed in to the load you're using, which involves trial and error. Maybe I got lucky.
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Post by tonyrumore on Apr 10, 2021 4:16:09 GMT -5
I had one. It was a complete POS. The gas system worked fine, it was everything else that made it worthless.
If you want a magnum auto, get an LAR Grizzly or an Auto Mag. That's Auto Mag, not an Automag. The latter is a POS as well.
When it comes to magnum autos, I have owned many multiples of all of them....except the Wildey. One was enough.
Tony
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 10, 2021 6:30:17 GMT -5
I had one. It was a complete POS. The gas system worked fine, it was everything else that made it worthless. If you want a magnum auto, get an LAR Grizzly or an Auto Mag. That's Auto Mag, not an Automag. The latter is a POS as well. When it comes to magnum autos, I have owned many multiples of all of them....except the Wildey. One was enough. Tony ***** Tony..... with all the confusion over New Model vs New Model, with is the difference between Auto Mag and Automag? Folk throw around inscrutable abbreviations, acronyms, and XYZs, which leave me cold. Leaves me cold. Especially when someone has the audacity to ask for information but is to lazy----or arrogant----to articulate their inquiry. In this case I suspect your description is specific. Fully aware of Harry Sanford’s Auto Mag; so what is an Automag? David Bradshaw |
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Post by tonyrumore on Apr 15, 2021 17:15:08 GMT -5
David, The Auto Mag is the 1970's gun used in the Movie Sudden impact. It uses a barrel extension and bolt like an AR-15 for lockup but is recoil operated not gas. The barrel reciprocates about 1/2". Standard calibers were 44 Auto Mag, 41 Jurras Magnum, and 357 Auto Mag. The Automag came out in the early 90's and uses a tilting barrel and slide lockup like a 1911, but with no swinging link. Automag II - 22 Magnum, blow back, uses a fixed perforated chamber sleeve to delay opening. Automag III - 30 Carbine, 9mm WinMag, round lugged barrel like a 1911 Automag IV - 10mm Magnum, 45 WinMag, square lugged barrel Automag V - 50AE, 440 Corbon, square lugged barrel
The III, IV, and V all use the same frame (sort of). The V has the magwell opened up slightly wider but is otherwise identical.
The one at the top of the pic is an Auto Mag. The others are Automags.
The original Auto Mag has had a large collector following pretty much from day one. The 90's Automag has only really become collectible in the past few years with the top dollar seller being the 10mm Magnum selling for around $3,500. The Automags are fairly low quality guns and usually need quite a bit of work to get them to function. They all have a seriously flawed hammer spring/strut arrangement that routinely fails and causes light primer strikes.
Lastly, there is the Baby Auto Mag in 22 Long Rifle. It is often confused with the Automag II chambered in 22 Magnum. It's basically a Ruger 22 auto pistol with cocking wings welded to the back of the bolt to look like the original Auto Mag cocking piece, and sports the famous Auto Mag style vent rib on the barrel. Only 1,000 were made and they usually bring around $3,000. Tony Rumore Tromix  |
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 16, 2021 10:59:42 GMT -5
David, The Auto Mag is the 1970's gun used in the Movie Sudden impact. It uses a barrel extension and bolt like an AR-15 for lockup but is recoil operated not gas. The barrel reciprocates about 1/2". Standard calibers were 44 Auto Mag, 41 Jurras Magnum, and 357 Auto Mag. The Automag came out in the early 90's and uses a tilting barrel and slide lockup like a 1911, but with no swinging link. Automag II - 22 Magnum, blow back, uses a fixed perforated chamber sleeve to delay opening. Automag III - 30 Carbine, 9mm WinMag, round lugged barrel like a 1911 Automag IV - 10mm Magnum, 45 WinMag, square lugged barrel Automag V - 50AE, 440 Corbon, square lugged barrel The III, IV, and V all use the same frame (sort of). The V has the magwell opened up slightly wider but is otherwise identical.
The one at the top of the pic is an Auto Mag. The others are Automags. The original Auto Mag has had a large collector following pretty much from day one. The 90's Automag has only really become collectible in the past few years with the top dollar seller being the 10mm Magnum selling for around $3,500. The Automags are fairly low quality guns and usually need quite a bit of work to get them to function. They all have a seriously flawed hammer spring/strut arrangement that routinely fails and causes light primer strikes.
Lastly, there is the Baby Auto Mag in 22 Long Rifle. It is often confused with the Automag II chambered in 22 Magnum. It's basically a Ruger 22 auto pistol with cocking wings welded to the back of the bolt to look like the original Auto Mag cocking piece, and sports the famous Auto Mag style vent rib on the barrel. Only 1,000 were made and they usually bring around $3,000. Tony Rumore Tromix ***** Tony.... thank you for explaining the Automag. Reckon we should expect confusion with the Auto Mag to persist. Probably indefinitely. Perhaps the maker of Automags sought association with the exotic Auto Mag to market the gun. Ruger could invoke no such alibi in applying its New Model designation (innovative transfer bar clockwork, 1973) to a reduced size Blackhawk. I don’t waste my breath trying to explain that to new shooters; they can learn or not learn it on their own. I would have called the smaller Blackhawk a Baby Blackhawk. Back to the Automag: what do you mean by “square lugged barrel” vs “round lugged barrel”? John Browning designed the 1911 with right-angle locking lugs on the barrel and right angle abutments in the slide. If by “square lug” you mean the chamber area of the barrel as a locking lug----as in SIG Sauer and later adopted by Glock, etc.----I understand. David Bradshaw |
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Post by squawberryman on Apr 16, 2021 13:27:31 GMT -5
Finally a picture from a true collector.
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Post by tonyrumore on Apr 16, 2021 17:45:34 GMT -5
That probably wasn't the best way to describe the lockup. Here's a pic showing the round versus square. Tony   |
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Post by markggtp on May 6, 2021 13:52:53 GMT -5
Wow, that's the best info that I've ever seen. Being a Clint Eastwood fan, I've always wanted one of the original Auto Mags...
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Post by lockhart on May 16, 2021 12:29:10 GMT -5
I believe the "automags" were also made by Harry Sanford. This was after the original rotating bolt "Auto Mag" were no longer being produced. And yes, while never owning one of the "automags", I did own an original TDE .357 AMP. And at the time of the "automags", most gun writers and owners considered them as POS.
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 16, 2021 13:56:43 GMT -5
Lockhart you probably are not far from the truth, but back then there were a lot of folks not very familiar “accurate” handgun shooting, much less hunting with a handgun. Back then the “modern technique” of Combat shooting was all the rage, and revolvers ruled the roost simply based on reliability of function. Autoloaders, or reliable autoloaders were few and far between, especially with anything beyond FMJ loads. Reloading by the average shooter was also in its infancy, so the vast majority relied on factory ammo, and factory ammo for the AMP was not only rare but it didn’t reliably function.
The AMP was way ahead of its time, and sadly now languishing in its reputation of the past, those of us who stuck with it and got good information from those that knew, now know better. The damage has been done and the AutoMag is a relic of the past, much like the Double rifle. Arguments can be made for it and against it, both good and logical, but only those that have owned and tried it will know the thrill of having used one.
Trapr
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