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Post by seancass on Apr 23, 2020 15:11:11 GMT -5
Sitting in my nightstand is a Glock 22, police surplus with an old Streamlight on the rail. Should be an ideal duty gun. Cheap enough to throw away, but reliable enough to bet my life on. Well, it's still a machine and any machine can fail! Pictured below: Beneath the metal locking block, you can see a black pin that runs about half way across and then stops. The other half has ventured on to a new life somewhere else. I noticed the dark, pin-less hole as soon as i picked it up today, but there's no guarantees that it hasn't been this way ever since I bought it. This $5 pin could be sufficient motivation for me to order that CZ i've been wanting to try.....  |
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Post by seancass on Apr 23, 2020 15:18:29 GMT -5
It's just a glock, but you guys deserve a picture of the whole gun. Or at least the whole gun minus what parts have fallen off...  edit: yes, that giant scratch at the base of the grip is real, but I've never noticed it without the camera glare. And, this thing has night-sights that can Just barely be seen in a dark room.  |
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Post by lobo on Apr 23, 2020 19:45:00 GMT -5
Those pins are easy to replace. Any thing man made can break. I'd be apt to bet that it still works.
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Post by bula on Apr 24, 2020 10:00:04 GMT -5
Glock story warning.. Story from an instructor I've taken a few courses with. A Portuguese HRT type team booked a class/course with him. As they run Glocks and the instructor favors them too, they arranged to rent or borrow here. Save shipping, airline issues. At the end of day one the instructor noticed one of the loaned out guns was missing it's slide release button. The operator was asked about when did the gun break ? He did not know, they do not use it as a slide release, only a slide catch. They want to make full use of that last 1/8" or so of slide travel, use of the spring, in their favor. Also, this is the gang that to my knowledge is the crew that started the SUL carry position, that has made it into, onto TV even, now.
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Post by bula on Apr 24, 2020 14:10:59 GMT -5
You do need a "happy stick" for it though.
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Post by nicholst55 on Apr 24, 2020 17:49:48 GMT -5
How does your Glock run with that Streamlight on it? The Glock 22 has a rep of not running well with lights mounted. The G22 that I used to own would choke in a heartbeat when it was wearing a light. No other Glock model has that reputation; it's specific to the G22, of all generations.
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Post by seancass on Apr 24, 2020 18:37:00 GMT -5
How does your Glock run with that Streamlight on it? The Glock 22 has a rep of not running well with lights mounted. The G22 that I used to own would choke in a heartbeat when it was wearing a light. No other Glock model has that reputation; it's specific to the G22, of all generations. I have to admit this is the first time I've ever heard this. I bought the light with the gun and I believe it's been on there ever since. Before it went into service in the nightstand, I attempted to do my due diligence of burning ammo thru this gun. It is my nature to dislike glocks because I'm contrary. It saw boxes of self-defense ammo before I just shrugged and thought "to the surprise of no one, it just works." What I have learned in the mean time is that I still don't like this gun. It doesn't point for me like some others. For that reason alone, it will be replaced eventually. |
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Post by seancass on Apr 24, 2020 18:38:38 GMT -5
You do need a "happy stick" for it though. There's at least one around here somewhere! |
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Post by nicholst55 on Apr 24, 2020 21:31:32 GMT -5
How does your Glock run with that Streamlight on it? The Glock 22 has a rep of not running well with lights mounted. The G22 that I used to own would choke in a heartbeat when it was wearing a light. No other Glock model has that reputation; it's specific to the G22, of all generations. I have to admit this is the first time I've ever heard this. I bought the light with the gun and I believe it's been on there ever since. Before it went into service in the nightstand, I attempted to do my due diligence of burning ammo thru this gun. It is my nature to dislike glocks because I'm contrary. It saw boxes of self-defense ammo before I just shrugged and thought "to the surprise of no one, it just works." What I have learned in the mean time is that I still don't like this gun. It doesn't point for me like some others. For that reason alone, it will be replaced eventually. Streamlight addresses this in their FAQs. Reading there, it seems that some G23s also exhibit feeding problems with lights mounted. Streamlight seems to blame the design of the Glock magazine and/or follower, and recommends an aftermarket replacement part - that, or using 10-round mags.
As popular as the both G22 and 23 are (or were, anyway) with LEOs, you would think that Glock would have resolved this issue, and made them utterly reliable with lights mounted. Perhaps it is a less prevalent problem than I suspect. I found the G22 too large for what I wanted to use it for, and also too blocky to handle naturally. It was like someone had taken two sections of a 2X4 and nailed them together, then done very minimal contouring of the pieces. That, and the .40 S&W cartridge just doesn't excite me. I really like my G26, but the G22 and a G36 both went down the road very quickly. A G33 and G32 preceded them down the road, as well.
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Post by seancass on Apr 24, 2020 22:03:58 GMT -5
You're right about this issue being all over the internet. If somebody told me that their light caused failures to feed I would flatly tell them "no, it did not." BUT there's too much data out there for me to argue with! So far, I have not experienced this.
I'm still glad I bought this. Police surplus for $299. I still believe that a 'like-new' Glock for 299 is probably the best bargain in pistols. I just don't like them! I completely agree that the ergonomics suck, especially compared to more modern competition.
Just more incentive to shop for other 'duty' guns....
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Post by dougphillips on Apr 25, 2020 0:21:52 GMT -5
What actual "Glock Perfection" would look like :
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Post by zeus on Apr 25, 2020 9:43:34 GMT -5
Glock story warning.. Story from an instructor I've taken a few courses with. A Portuguese HRT type team booked a class/course with him. As they run Glocks and the instructor favors them too, they arranged to rent or borrow here. Save shipping, airline issues. At the end of day one the instructor noticed one of the loaned out guns was missing it's slide release button. The operator was asked about when did the gun break ? He did not know, they do not use it as a slide release, only a slide catch. They want to make full use of that last 1/8" or so of slide travel, use of the spring, in their favor. Also, this is the gang that to my knowledge is the crew that started the SUL carry position, that has made it into, onto TV even, now. That’s why we call it a “slide stop” and not a release. I was always taught to slingshot the slide and get the extra 1/4” of spring power to return it to battery with the fresh mag. I’ve seen one of them broken there years ago. The slide stop is also the only part of a Glock I’ve seen cause reliability issues. But each of those instances though, the slide stop had been replaced with an aftermarket and the owner had the spring wrong when installed causing it to try to stop the slide each shot. It was tensioning you rather than down. Glocks run fine with extremely minimal care. As much as I tried to hate them over the years, I always came back to them. They shoot well, I never have an hiccups, and they hold lots of ammo for certain social settings. I do love my 1911s and carry them sometimes but a Glock is light with twice the payload and doesn’t cost a fortune. I look at them as disposable. I have several of each model I routinely carry. For someone that really tried to hate them, I ended up with a “few” over the years. 😂😂 |
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Post by reflex264 on May 1, 2020 16:00:08 GMT -5
Strange. I fool with them all the time and have never seen one jam with anything attached to the rail.
I even used one scope mount that mounted to the rail and supported a scope that was much heavier than a light.
It was flawless.
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Post by awp101 on May 1, 2020 16:51:27 GMT -5
I'm still glad I bought this. Police surplus for $299. I still believe that a 'like-new' Glock for 299 is probably the best bargain in pistols. I just don't like them! I completely agree that the ergonomics suck, especially compared to more modern competition. Just more incentive to shop for other 'duty' guns.... Check out the trade in M&P40s. My hand plays much better with M&Ps than Glocks. My next full size pistol quest will probably be a trade in M&P45. |
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Post by nicholst55 on May 2, 2020 1:28:25 GMT -5
I agree about the M&P having better ergonomics. The interchangeable backstraps were an excellent idea. My M&P is a Gen 1 45C. I installed an Apex sear, which is pretty much a must-do modification, IMHO. The out-of-the-box trigger pull absolutely sucks, otherwise. I haven't messed with a Gen 2 M&P yet, but it's on the list.
Very shortly after I bought the M&P, I traded into a Glock 36. My youngest son has one that he had been singing the praises of for several years before that, so I had high hopes for it. It had one major problem - the slide locked back after each round! After troubleshooting it, I discovered that a previous owner had installed the slide release backwards. Once properly installed, that problem disappeared. The G36 and the S&W M&P 45C are almost identical in size. In fact, either mag will go into either gun - they won't latch or function in the other gun, but they will fit. The G36 is single stack, while the M&P is what S&W calls a 'mild' double-stack, IIRC. The S&W holds 8 (or 10, or 14) rounds, while the Glock holds 8. I kept the S&W and sold the Glock.
One problem with either the M&P or the G36 - there is very little aftermarket support for them. Parts that fit 'all' Glocks usually have the disclaimer 'Except the G36.' The situation for the S&W has become a bit better lately, and there are more aftermarket parts for them - just not many for the M&P 45.
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