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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 16, 2020 7:46:45 GMT -5
Sporting Arms built a few .45 Colt/.45 Winchester Magnum convertibles. I have two such Sevilles:  I've shot the Win Mag, loading it below published maximums. Some of the early loads approached 40,000 CUP, which is too high for a 6-shot. The Win Mag is redundant when paired with the .45 Colt. If you have a Colt cylinder, the only reason to shoot the Win Mag is to play with an oddity. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by 470evans on Mar 16, 2020 8:01:08 GMT -5
I would be paying a trip back to the gun store with the intention of challenging the "no return' policy.
You have nothing to lose.
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Post by needsmostuff on Mar 16, 2020 9:14:29 GMT -5
As for me and this gun shop, I think I am about done. If I want a new firearm henceforth, I will buy it off Gunbroker as new and have it shipped. I got starry eyes seeing a convertible and I am paying the price. I wonder if you are giving up too easy on the responsibility of the gun shop. They claimed it was some thing it is not. They sold you something that is in fact dangerous making them liable in this litigious world. Explain to them the power of word of mouth, honor, and scruples and how they affect customers and future customers. Explain your ability to tell a story and how log a memory you have. If necessary do it at high volume on a busy day , when the shop is full. You know ,,,slip into DICK MODE. ( my Wife's phrase when she sees me do it. ) Hey, it's kind of fun when you know your in the right. Then explain to them your ability to come back again and again , to have the same conversation. There may even be the middle ground of refunding you an amount for the conv. cyl. which was misrepresented and dangerous. We have all seen the signs on the back of dump trucks that say STAY BACK 200 feet! Not responsible for broken windshields. Not true they are. Signs are just a way to try and make a problem go away. Who knows ? They might just do the right thing. |
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Post by clintsfolly on Mar 16, 2020 16:13:06 GMT -5
Personally I would go back to the shop and start out with the boss! I would be polite and see where it went and get loud and dickish as needed!
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 16, 2020 17:59:41 GMT -5
It's not a train wreck and Lee made a valid point.
If you load the 45 Colt up to 30k psi or the 45 WM down to 30k psi, both the same and both safe. Assuming the rechamber job is proper.
You could add a 45 ACP cylinder and have a three cylinder gun.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 17, 2020 8:29:06 GMT -5
perhaps you could use the Win Mag cylinder as a shot cylinder & load those cases with bird shot... one caveat, would be the possibility that it gets shot by one of your relatives after you're gone, & they get injured, maybe between chambers it could be engraved as shot chamber only???
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Post by cas on Mar 17, 2020 9:33:38 GMT -5
Using the cartridge in a revolver gives you opportunities with heavy, wide meplat gas checked bullets and 296 or 110 powder. You can do things with that case that you can't do in *any* autoloader. To a point. I spent a lot of time and effort with 400gr bullets and the 50AE. You couldn't keep them in the case mouths with the recoil/tapper crimp. Made a stake crimping tool which helped. The bullets stopped pulling, but they also stopped headspacing. The first one or two would. Subsequent shots would cause the cartridges to deep seat in the chambers, past their case mouth head spacing. You could shoot heavy bullets, you just couldn't shoot them real fast. |
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Post by needsmostuff on Mar 17, 2020 10:18:16 GMT -5
The 45 win. mag. does seem to have slightly smaller specs than the 45 colt.
Maybe an opportunity to have a very tight 45 colt chamber cut ?
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 17, 2020 11:11:04 GMT -5
The 45 win. mag. does seem to have slightly smaller specs than the 45 colt. Maybe an opportunity to have a very tight 45 colt chamber cut ? You'd have to be very careful with that due to throating. The throats of a 45 Colt are designed to allow a roll crimp to straighten out. The 45 WM is designed to headspace on the mouth. A 45 Colt a tad too long would spike pressures dramatically. |
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Post by groo on Mar 17, 2020 12:16:44 GMT -5
Groo here
A trip to the mother ship is in order.
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Post by shorty500 on Mar 17, 2020 14:04:28 GMT -5
I recall a discussion in a forum once what was probably started by an uninformed internet arm chair guru that Ruger had possibly chambered some cylinders to the WM during customer returns and at customer request in the say late 70s to early 80s.
Still don’t believe they ever did
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Post by Sawfish on Mar 17, 2020 14:52:52 GMT -5
Could it have been reamed out for snake loads?
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Post by buckelliott on Mar 17, 2020 15:13:46 GMT -5
The .45 Win Mag was born as the answee b to one of those questions Nobody really seriously asked. Beyond "novel", it has no practical use, in a single action rdvolver, that can't be better served by a +P loading of the Rimmed .45 Colt cartridge.
You can rationalize all day long and far into the night, and still not come up with a rational, logical reason for handicapping both the the gun and the cartridge by combining a single action and a powerful, rimless to understand in such an unholy alliance. .
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Post by csmorgan on Mar 17, 2020 17:45:11 GMT -5
Was and is a fairly common conversion for the Rugers, have toyed with the idea of fitting a 3rd cylinder to my Blackhawk
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