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Post by x101airborne on Mar 15, 2020 17:24:31 GMT -5
I purchased a 45 Colt / ACP Blackhawk the other day, 4 5/8ths barrel. I overpaid a bit, but a bird in the hand and all...
When I went to load the "45 ACP" cylinder, the rounds fell way too far into the cylinder. By about 1/2 an inch. I had a friend check the cylinder and he confirmed it is reamed out to 45 Winchester Magnum. I have never loaded or even seen a 45 Winchester Magnum. Anyone have any experience? What could be gained out of a short barrel Blackhawk using 45 Win Mag rounds? Every thing I have seen in load data is for long barrels and Contenders.
Normally I would return the weapon, but there is a huge sign on the counter of the gunshop, "All used firearm sales are as-is and no returns are allowed for any reason.".
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Post by awp101 on Mar 15, 2020 18:06:44 GMT -5
What could be gained out of a short barrel Blackhawk using 45 Win Mag rounds? Shock and awe? Hand held flash-bang? |
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 15, 2020 18:08:36 GMT -5
With the right powder and the right bullet you should be able to get fantastic performance
Not a problem!
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 15, 2020 18:19:33 GMT -5
Using the cartridge in a revolver gives you opportunities with heavy, wide meplat gas checked bullets and 296 or 110 powder.
You can do things with that case that you can't do in *any* autoloader.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 15, 2020 18:24:31 GMT -5
I'd look really hard at cylinder wall thickness and pressure before I started any Tarzan Calls or pounding my chest.
Most, if not all, knowledgeful people recommend 30,000 psi as max on that cylinder wall thickness.
No doubt some authority will say it's ok. But, pays to question why Ruger won't do it. Can't say I know any reputable gunsmiths who will do a six shot either.
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Post by Aeroscout on Mar 15, 2020 18:44:00 GMT -5
Starting load for a 260 grainer pushed by H110 is 34,900 CUP according to the Hodgdon website. I agree with Huey aka encore64 and wouldn't fire it in a 6shot Blackhawk.
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Post by ddixie884 on Mar 15, 2020 19:07:18 GMT -5
You can load any thing you think is safe but Factory .45WM is above the 30 or 32K most figure to be appropriate for large frame Blackhawks. A Redhawk maybe.............
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 15, 2020 19:24:09 GMT -5
I purchased a 45 Colt / ACP Blackhawk the other day, 4 5/8ths barrel. I overpaid a bit, but a bird in the hand and all... When I went to load the "45 ACP" cylinder, the rounds fell way too far into the cylinder. By about 1/2 an inch. I had a friend check the cylinder and he confirmed it is reamed out to 45 Winchester Magnum. I have never loaded or even seen a 45 Winchester Magnum. Anyone have any experience? What could be gained out of a short barrel Blackhawk using 45 Win Mag rounds? Every thing I have seen in load data is for long barrels and Contenders. Normally I would return the weapon, but there is a huge sign on the counter of the gunshop, "All used firearm sales are as-is and no returns are allowed for any reason.". ***** The .45 Winchester Magnum is designed for the Wildey, or some such brick a 600 pound gorilla wouldn’t wear in brown bear country. Sounds as though some clown out there thinks a chamber reamer is all you need to turn a .45 ACP into a magnum. By coincidence----for those who believe in coincidence----the gun turns up in a gunshop under the sign “No Returns!” A call to Ruger Customer Service in Newport, in mind of getting the heads to nod up & down, as opposed to swaying from side to side, with a return label for repair. If that doesn’t work, and I would not give up easily, a question must be answered: Was the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible listed as a .45 Colt/.45 ACP? If the answer is “yes,” case closed. David Bradshaw |
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 15, 2020 19:48:05 GMT -5
Have to agree with David...
Such atrocities as this explains the "No Returns" sign. Even worse if they overcharged you.
I don't know which is worse. Selling under such a pretense or others advising you to shoot it.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 15, 2020 20:04:30 GMT -5
Using the cartridge in a revolver gives you opportunities with heavy, wide meplat gas checked bullets and 296 or 110 powder. You can do things with that case that you can't do in *any* autoloader. Heavy bullets would put even more stress on this poorly thought out rechamber. Recipe for a grenade in my opinion... |
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Post by nicholst55 on Mar 15, 2020 20:31:48 GMT -5
There's a fella on the OTHER Ruger forum looking for that very cylinder. Actually, he's looking for a .45 ACP cylinder to have reamed to .45 WinMag.
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 15, 2020 21:09:29 GMT -5
Using the cartridge in a revolver gives you opportunities with heavy, wide meplat gas checked bullets and 296 or 110 powder. You can do things with that case that you can't do in *any* autoloader. Heavy bullets would put even more stress on this poorly thought out rechamber. Recipe for a grenade in my opinion... I think I'll stand back and call for repentance here... |
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Post by x101airborne on Mar 15, 2020 22:11:06 GMT -5
I bought it for the 45 ACP option. I had no idea of the 45 win mags existence prior to wondering why my factory 45 ACP's wouldn't chamber.
I own a Super Redhawk in 454. I own a Smith in 500. I have fired "maybe" 20 rounds in each in the last 4 years. The 454 is a masochist's way of getting a fix (in my opinion and no offense to those who eat that stuff for breakfast) and the 500 X-frame is a gentle shove that makes you take a step back every shot. I don't want to use either as a ranch handgun. 30K PSI? I can do that with a 45 Colt chambering with Ruger Only loads (exercising caution, of course).
As for me and this gun shop, I think I am about done. If I want a new firearm henceforth, I will buy it off Gunbroker as new and have it shipped. I got starry eyes seeing a convertible and I am paying the price.
Live and learn. Aint the first time, wont be the last lest I die tonight.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 16, 2020 5:08:35 GMT -5
Hopefully you now have an excellent 45 Colt.
There are several options to add a 45 ACP cylinder if you like.
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Post by Burnston on Mar 16, 2020 6:32:57 GMT -5
All hope is not lost. There are people who will buy your unwanted cylinder, and you may even find someone selling an ACP cylinder in the same place. You'll need your ACP cylinder fitted, but if it is a gun you intend to keep, it is a small venture.
If you do not have a Ruger Forum membership, send me a PM and I'll be glad to get your cylinder listed and orchestrate the sale.
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