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Post by rep1954 on May 22, 2009 18:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by 38 WCF on May 22, 2009 20:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by 38 WCF on May 22, 2009 20:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie01 on May 22, 2009 22:24:59 GMT -5
I'm a new convert to the .44 Special fan club, so you old hands let me know if I misspeak.
I read at least one piece by EK that his choice of the .44 was not just limited to "hotter" loads, it was the inconsistency of chamber/throat/bore relationship in the .45 Colts at the time.
In addition the limited availabilty of powders at the time meant that the .45 Colt (a blackpowder cartridge) had too much case capacity for the faster powders of the day. A half full case led to powder ignition problems, and a full case grenaded cylinders.
The .44 special was born in the smokeless powder era (albeit early in that era) and at a time when chamber/throat/bore relationship was better understood.
In addition, using 250 grain bullets in either, the .44 has the edge in sectional density.
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Post by wickerbill on May 23, 2009 8:42:05 GMT -5
38 WCF, was that 44 done by Andy Horvath. I love it. ;D
Bill
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Post by Fowler on May 23, 2009 10:00:53 GMT -5
I'm a new convert to the .44 Special fan club, so you old hands let me know if I misspeak. I read at least one piece by EK that his choice of the .44 was not just limited to "hotter" loads, it was the inconsistency of chamber/throat/bore relationship in the .45 Colts at the time. In addition the limited availability of powders at the time meant that the .45 Colt (a blackpowder cartridge) had too much case capacity for the faster powders of the day. A half full case led to powder ignition problems, and a full case grenaded cylinders. The .44 special was born in the smokeless powder era (albeit early in that era) and at a time when chamber/throat/bore relationship was better understood. In addition, using 250 grain bullets in either, the .44 has the edge in sectional density. I think everything you said there is correct from Elmer's writing I have read. I feel that if better powders had been offered with solid head brass and colt had just slightly heavier cylinders, in his day we would never have had a 44 mag. In today's guns anything the 44 mag can do the 45 colt can do better and with less pressure. I add though that the inconsistencys in cylinder throats, barrels, and so forth still plague the 45 colt far more so than the 44 mag. I know a lot of smarter guys than I that say it is seems to be easier to get a 44 mag to shoot well out of the box than a 45 colt for this reason. The 44sp and I are just starting a love affair and for me one of the big reasons is that I am not tempted to make this gun scream with heavy loads. If I want big power I will shoot my 45 colts or 475 Linebaugh, the 44sp is for pleasure. I personnally have shot a few of Elmer's loads in the Lipsey's gun but after a few I was thinking why? So I will run my 215gr to 260gr bullets at 800 to 1000fps and really have fun with the gun. Those loads still are just fine for a field gun and make long shooting session a lot of fun too. I will add though that when the 44sp came out it was offered in black powder as well as smokeless loads right from day one. What powder it was designed for will probably never be known... |
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Post by Aggie01 on May 23, 2009 17:16:03 GMT -5
I think everything you said there is correct from Elmer's writing I have read. Thanks for backing me up. I'm still a rookie. I personnally have shot a few of Elmer's loads in the Lipsey's gun but after a few I was thinking why? So I will run my 215gr to 260gr bullets at 800 to 1000fps and really have fun with the gun. Those loads still are just fine for a field gun and make long shooting session a lot of fun too. Right there with ya, I have a 44 mag for 44 mag loads, I'll keep my .44 special for Skeeter loads. Not to blaspheme, but according to some contemporary sources, it doesn't matter if the 250 gn .430 bullet is going 1000 fps or 1200 fps. Anyone played with 300 grain weight forward bullets in the 44 special? |
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Post by salvo on May 26, 2009 23:15:08 GMT -5
You guys have some nice 44 Specials! I bought my first one today, been feeling kinda left out not ordering a Lipsey's, so I decided to stop by the gun shop that is a Lipsey's dealer and ask about ordering one. Right there in the cabinet is a brand new 5.5" barreled 44 Special. I'm not sure if they new what they had, it was priced below the New Vaqueros at $439.00 when I asked to look at it he said don't waste your money on that when you can get a 44 Mag  He started to put it back in the case and I said I will take it, I thought he was gonna fall over! I'm really starting to like the 5.5" barrel even though I don't have a holster for it, a 4 5/8" could have used one of my other holsters. I'm thinking about an El Paso 1920 Crossdraw. Need more brass and bullets too, the fun begins!  |
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Post by kings6 on May 27, 2009 0:13:41 GMT -5
Well guys, let the flaming begin but like I've said before I'm not much of a new model kind of guy. Picked up the Lipseys 5 1/2", looked it over, saw how nice everything was fitted between the gripframe and main frame and decided within 24 hours it was just not for this OM guy. It already found a new home here locally. Neat gun, it just didn't "do anything" for me when I held it. Instead I took the brass grip frame that came today, a Clements OM bisley spurred hammer, a #5 OM base pin and a holster worn OM 357 FT, swapped parts around and came up with a perfect 44 Special conversion candidate. I guess I rally am the dinosaur my kids say I am.  |
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Post by Frank V on May 27, 2009 17:01:17 GMT -5
You guys have some nice 44 Specials! I bought my first one today, been feeling kinda left out not ordering a Lipsey's, so I decided to stop by the gun shop that is a Lipsey's dealer and ask about ordering one. Right there in the cabinet is a brand new 5.5" barreled 44 Special. I'm not sure if they new what they had, it was priced below the New Vaqueros at $439.00 when I asked to look at it he said don't waste your money on that when you can get a 44 Mag He started to put it back in the case and I said I will take it, I thought he was gonna fall over! I'm really starting to like the 5.5" barrel even though I don't have a holster for it, a 4 5/8" could have used one of my other holsters. I'm thinking about an El Paso 1920 Crossdraw. Need more brass and bullets too, the fun begins! Wow! nice catch oh that more dealers would underprice the Special because it's not a magnum!!! Frank |
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Post by Aggie01 on May 27, 2009 20:51:51 GMT -5
My dad asked me why in the **** I bought a .44 special when I already had more .44 mags than I could shoot at one time.
I gave him the gun with 6 "Skeeter" loads in it, and he hit where he was aiming with all 6. He turned to me and said "I get it, that is now my favorite gun of yours" (previous was my .45 colt NV)
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Post by duaneh on May 27, 2009 22:39:30 GMT -5
Here's my family photo of .44 Specials. Top to bottom; Colt New Service, Ruger 50th Ann. .357 conversion, S&W 624, S&W 24-3  I'm still missing a conversion on an original .357 flattop.  Got the flattop, though and planning on filling that hole soon.  |
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Post by nobearsyet on May 28, 2009 17:20:42 GMT -5
I will join the fraternity soon (I hope, gulp.)
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He started to put it back in the case and I said I will take it, I thought he was gonna fall over!
